Max Mosley Sues Google For Unflattering Search Results — Creating Even More Unflattering Search Results

from the it's-like-a-slow-motion-collision-between-a-ROFLcopter-and-a-FAILboat dept

Max Mosley knows a thing or two about scandal. After an alleged “Nazi-themed” sex party was caught on tape and delivered to the entire world via News of the World (and the internet in general), Mosely attempted to wrangle an injunction out of the UK courts. It was pointed out that the “dam had already burst,” thus rendering an injunction useless.

Undeterred, Mosley attempted to have a law crafted that would require that certain people (rich, famous, rich and famous) be notified by newspapers, etc. ahead of the publication of possibly damning information, presumably to allow said rich/famous people to file injunctions preventing the publication. Needless to say, this also failed.

But Max is nothing if not determined. Mosley is now bringing lawsuits against Google in France, Germany and for some reason, California in order to prevent the further spread of the Nazi sex party story.

In his testimony at the Levinson Inquiry, Mosley clarified his legal “strategy:”

I think we have litigation going on in 22 or 23 countries at the moment, and it’s just an ongoing process because — I mean I’m trying to do everything I can to get this material removed from the web and it’s not easy, it’s ongoing, it’s very expensive, but Germany is actually the number one example. Because of the Nazi thing, it got very much picked up in Germany.

Yes. Well, Germany is still rather touchy about its position as world’s greatest villain for years 1939-1945.

One of the difficulties is that Google have these automatic search machines so if somebody puts something up somewhere, if you Google my name, it will appear. We’ve been saying to Google, you shouldn’t do this, this material is illegal, these pictures have been ruled illegal in the English High Court. They say we’re not obliged to police the web and we don’t want to police the web, so we have brought proceedings against them in France and Germany where the jurisprudence is favourable. We’re also considering bringing proceedings against them in California.

As automatic as Google’s “search machines” are, they don’t add n to x randomly. If something shows up in the search results, it’s because something exists on the internet. Whether or not these pictures were ruled illegal by a high court has nothing to do with Google’s search engine. If the pictures are still available on the web, then Google will find them. The attempt to grant a search engine some sort of anthropomorphic properties (including a vindictive streak) is imaginative but hardly a sound basis for a legal battle. Notice also: proceedings are being brought where “jurisprudence is favourable,” rather than for any sort of logical reasons.

But the fundamental point is that Google could stop this material appearing, but they don’t, or they won’t as a matter of principle. My position is that if the search engines — if somebody were to stop the search engines producing the material, the actual sites don’t really matter because without a search engine, nobody will find it, it would be just a few friends of the person who posts it. The really dangerous thing are the search engines.

Mosley, I’m going to give you the benefit of a doubt. Perhaps you just misworded your statement. Search engines don’t “produce” anything. They can bring you results, but they do not produce content. (And when they do start producing content, I assume we’ll hear even more whining from content producers, rather than less.) So, search engines aren’t “dangerous.” They’re agnostic. Or impartial. Or (if we’re granting them human qualities) “unemotional” and “uncreative.”

Mosley is himself a lawyer. And he has engaged the services of other lawyers. Now, either somebody in this group is thrilled with the possibility of endless billable hours or no one involved understands search engines. Simply put, this legal battle will have no end. Every time Mosley files a suit or testifies in court, new articles appear linking him to the very event he’s trying to get the collective internet to forget. If he would stop trying to make it all go away, chances are it would recede into the metaphoric past at a much faster rate. Right now, he’s stuck in a loop and he’s trying to sue his way out of it.

If Mosley is acting as the advisor for his legal team, he’s in trouble. Here’s a quote from his official statement that was presented to the inquiry:

It is sometimes assumed that the Internet is not subject to the law – that it operates as a sort of Wild West with its own rules which the courts cannot touch. This is a fallacy. The Internet and those that use it are clearly subject to the law like everyone else. It may sometimes be difficult to enforce the law because of the international nature of the Internet. But that is a separate question.

Ah. The Wild West. We never tire of hearing the internet compared to a dusty, corpse-strewn, sepia-toned image of the past. If anything, it’s more like international waters, where national laws can’t stake a claim, where gambling using funds from offshore accounts is rampant, pirate ships laden with freshly burned DVDs dot the waves and bottled water prices exceed even the most ruthless rave promoter’s dreams. Or maybe it’s more like Sealand, an offshore community that respects no national law and in return, is respected only by budding teen anarchists and people who think Neuromancer already happened.

We make a shopkeeper or a publican responsible for what they sell and to whom. There is no reason not to do the same to Internet service providers.

Another terrible analogy which makes one wonder whether Mosley is going to target ISPs if the Google lawsuits fail to produce the intended results. Blaming Google for unpleasant search results is a bit like blaming the guy manning the porn store counter for bringing you the porn you asked for. And blaming the ISPs for not preventing unwanted content from existing is like blaming the porn store for porn. Either way, it is not the responsibility of “search machines” or “shopkeepers” to police the internet to protect you from stuff. The internet does not exist to protect your reputation. Even if Mosley’s recounting of the events is entirely factual and that the tabloid manufactured the situation for loosely termed blackmail, his complaint should begin and end with the offending publication. The dissemination of this sordid business is not the responsibility of Google, Internet service providers or a lack of a tamed “Wild West.” And every piece of litigation only adds to the very thing Mosley is trying to subtract.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 I am so going to get "report"ed for this one ....

Oh yes, he should. It’s a joke how Israel uses the holocaust today to justify their megalomania and their repression against Palestinians. Mind you, the Holocaust was no joking matter and most ordinary Germans had to go along due to the extreme dictatorship installed at the time. I know a German from that period and she tells nasty things the German Reich III used to do with Germans that opposed them. But this is no excuse not to joke with it. Too soon? Maybe. Bad taste? Maybe. Not feasible? Hell no. I’m sick of people treating this as some taboo and being hypocrites. Nothing against you Dark. Just thought some points should be made.

Malak (profile) says:

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to highlight where he’s failed to win legal action in his ongoing ‘privacy battle’, but not to point out that Mosley did sue News of the World and won, the damages for which were the highest in recent legal history for a privacy action, plus the claim that it was ‘Nazi themed’ was proven to be false.

I don’t disagree with anything you say regarding the pointlessness of his ongoing legal battle, but to downplay the cornerstone of /his/ justification seems a little awry.

Capitalist Lion Tamer (profile) says:

Re: Re:

I think it’s slightly disingenuous to highlight where he’s failed to win legal action in his ongoing ‘privacy battle’, but not to point out that Mosley did sue News of the World and won, the damages for which were the highest in recent legal history for a privacy action, plus the claim that it was ‘Nazi themed’ was proven to be false.

This is true. Perhaps I wouldn’t have been as disingenuous if he hadn’t decided to bring this all back up to the surface again. If it wasn’t for this pursuit of Google, the public would remember him as “the guy who sued the News of the World and won,” if they remembered him at all. Plus, that lawsuit was squarely targeted at those who wronged him, while his other legal targets are all over the map.

Malak (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Well, he was probably /asked/ to testify before Leaveson… and to be honest I don’t actually agree with you on the claim that he’s primarily be remembered as “the guy who sued the News of the World and won”, I really do believe that that’s to that paper most people believe he was into Nazi sex games.

Look, as I said, I don’t actually disagree with anything you’re actually saying

He’s wrong, what he’s doing can’t work, but basically (and I’m slipping into his narrative here) he’s an old guy that doesn’t really understand how the internet works, and he’s been horribly entrapped by a tabloid and he’s trying to repair the damage and flailing around somewhat in the process…

He’s only, what, 10 years out of date with his methodology?

Dave W (profile) says:

Re: Re:

I agree with comment above. When i looked at the evidence i have to agreed with him. Yes it was a sex party, was it Nazi themed – no not really.

Of course the reason this offends Max so much – and which US readers may not be aware – is that his father is Oswald Mosley – http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oswald_Mosley – leader of the UK Fascist Party and supporter of Nazism.

Its not just Germany that is touchy about its Nazi past; Max is too.

Josef Anvil (profile) says:

Streisand Effect.......FAIL

Let’s suppose that Google is to blame. If he were to win, what does that mean for social networks? Maybe Max hasn’t heard of the viral nature of the web.

“if somebody were to stop the search engines producing the material, the actual sites don’t really matter because without a search engine, nobody will find it, it would be just a few friends of the person who posts it.”

REALLY????

A few friends??? The average Facebook user has at least a few hundred friends. Add six degrees of separation to that and you have a ridiculous network of people sharing information.

What about those email lists that we use to share all our jokes and funny videos at work?

Fuck it. It’s all Google’s fault.

Marcel de Jong (profile) says:

blaming the porn store for porn

This sentence “is like blaming the porn store for porn” painted a funny picture for me.

“I demand that you tell me, how I got inside this filthy place, with its filthy books and videos. Oh yes, I’ve read and seen them all, and they’re all incredibly filthy!
Not to mention those dildos over there, I’ve tried them too, and they are dirty! You dirty scoundrel!”

Killer_Tofu (profile) says:

I suppose a few of you know this

The ‘wild west’ wasn’t really so wild.
Inside the towns there were not shootouts all the time and the most recorded ever for an entire year for deaths by murder was five. Even the OK Corral had a grand total body count of three.

While I could link to the original source, I am going to link to what first turned me onto the facts, which was written with great humor as you can probably guess by the link alone:
http://www.cracked.com/article_18487_6-ridiculous-history-myths-you-probably-think-are-true.html

I keep wanting to use the wild west wasn’t so wild bit against the copyright maximalists, but you guys tend to get to refuting every single thing they say first, so I never end up feeling the need to bring it up.

Jerkface McGee (profile) says:

To produce

Mosley, I’m going to give you the benefit of a doubt. Perhaps you just misworded your statement. Search engines don’t “produce” anything. They can bring you results, but they do not produce content.

Maybe he used “produce” in a different sense of the word. “To produce” can mean to make available or to present for view, as when “producing” evidence or a witness. In that context, you don’t create evidence or witnesses, you find them and let other people access them. If that’s what he meant, “bring you results” isn’t too far off.

Anonymous Coward says:

“We never tire of hearing the internet compared to a dusty, corpse-strewn, sepia-toned image of the past. If anything, it’s more like international waters, where national laws can’t stake a claim, where gambling using funds from offshore accounts is rampant, pirate ships laden with freshly burned DVDs dot the waves and bottled water prices exceed even the most ruthless rave promoter’s dreams. “

Apparently you never tire of revelling in the absence of the rule of law. Most of us look at the picture you paint not as a good thing, but as something to be entirely avoided.

Violated (profile) says:

The Fourth Reich

I expect what they mean by Google filling in content is their auto-complete service. For example if someone types in to the search box “Max Mosley” then Google will automatically recommend the words “Nazi Party”.

Well I can’t approve of their censorship. This is a case of think before you open your mouth or more correctly realise what a little shit everyone will think you are if you believe it fun to dress up as a Nazi. A sex party only makes it twice as worse when then people wonder what type of mickey mouse operation it is you are running.

The correct response to fix this disaster is to be humble and apologize, have those responsible resign or be fired, state this is only a few bad employees and not general company policy and then book annual trips for workers to learn about the persecution of the Jews.

Now what do they do? Run around trying to have every sign of this event removed. Well if they can remove it then they most own it. Ownership means they did it. So enjoy your company drunken Nazi sex parties.

Not good for business of course.

makomk says:

Re: The Fourth Reich

He didn’t dress up as a Nazi or pretend to be a Nazi. There was no Nazi aspect to his sexual activities. The Nazi part was made up out of whole cloth by the News of the World based on the fact that the particular… activity was conducted in German; they neglected to even bother to translate the German. That’s part of the reason they were in such legal hot water.

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