Japanese Court Orders Google To Remove Customer Reviews From Its Maps Service — Globally

from the long-arm-of-the-law dept

The following story from Japan, reported by Techcrunch, might seem to be an everyday internet tale of privacy and freedom of speech interacting badly:

The Chiba District Court today issued a preliminary injunction forcing the U.S. internet company to remove two anonymous reviews for an undisclosed medical clinic in the country. While they document negative customer experiences at the clinic, neither review violates the policies that Google has in place for user generated content within the Maps service.

Nothing special there, you might think, but there’s a sting in the tail:

The court ruled that Google not only removes the content in Japan, but across the entire globe too.

That’s troubling, because it’s yet another case of a local court asserting its right to affect what happens across the entire internet — the best-known example being the EU’s claim that its privacy regulations have to apply globally if they are to be effective. It’s worrying to see a similar ruling from Japan, albeit only in a preliminary injunction, and one that Google is appealing against, because it risks normalizing that view, with serious consequences for the online world. Far from being a domain subject to no rules, as politicians love to claim, the internet would begin to turn into the one place that has to obey every country’s laws.

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Anonymous Coward says:

Next up, Iranian courts rule all Christian content must be removed from Google for being blasphemous against Islam. Google must remove all this content from the entire globe.

Then follows China. Demanding that all references of the Tiananmen Square massacre must be removed from Google. Globally.

Isn’t global censorship fun? Weeeee!

Bergman (profile) says:

Re: Re:

Islamic governments don’t prohibit Christianity, they ‘merely’ tax it and apply certain advertising-based restrictions (none of which would be legal in the US, mind you). Judaism operates under similar restrictions in Islamic countries.

The reasoning is they all worship the same God, they just have disagreements about who the Messiah is and what name God prefers.

Shinto on the other hand, is anathema in Islamic countries since it involves worship of deities other than Allah.

Spaceman Spiff (profile) says:

Right!

Yeah, like that is about to happen, removing content across the globe. I’d like to see Google shut down all of its services for 2 weeks to the countries that try to force it to comply with stupid shit, and see just how fast these assholes capitulate, realizing that they are WAAAAY over their heads and have no clue how the Internet works!

Anonymous Coward says:

Sometimes it really IS conspiracy, not stupidity

We should be careful to question whether these rulings are the product of ignorance or design. No country wants other countries’ laws to apply to it. Every country will claim that their laws should apply globally because the Internet is global. There’s nothing any country can do to stop other countries’ courts from making rulings like this or punishing multinationals for not complying. The most logical response if this practice takes hold will be for companies who operate in multiple jurisdictions to start segmenting their operations and thus the Internet itself like countries are.

We should not shy away from the possibility that this is the endgame of these decisions and from taking immediate action to prevent it. The Internet is the best hope we have for a truly global future, and we cannot allow this hope to be dashed by the malicious designs of a few who wish to keep the world locked in perpetual nation-state conflict.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Sometimes it really IS conspiracy, not stupidity

…No country wants other countries’ laws to apply to it…

Age of consent, age allowance for nude modeling, and prostitution come to mind, but I’m sure there are other examples of one country’s law(s) differing from another.

And don’t get me started on Sharia Law.

Bergman (profile) says:

Re: Re: Sometimes it really IS conspiracy, not stupidity

A good example, at least on the porn side of things, is breasts and genitals.

Showing breasts isn’t considered obscene or illegal in Japan, but showing a penis or vagina is. I wonder how Japanese people would react if every image in Japan that showed breasts suddenly sported a censor bar when viewed via a Google search — would they accept an explanation that showing breasts is illegal in other countries so Google has to censor globally?

Anonymous Coward says:

My guess is that the court asked for those two specific reviews be removed, as you can see from a quick look:
Akihabara’s Gundum Cafe

Asking for those specific reviews to be removed due to local jurisdictional issues isn’t anything new. Hell look at Google’s transparency report on Thailand: link, A country well known for removal of criticism about royalty or the government.

Anonymous Coward says:

Local laws, global Internet

In its core, this conflict happens because laws are supposed to affect only things under their own jurisdiction, but the Internet is global and thus present on almost all jurisdictions at the same time.

Something has to give. Either the Internet will fragment itself so each piece is under a well-defined jurisdiction, or law itself will become global.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Local laws, global Internet

Something has to give. Either the Internet will fragment itself so each piece is under a well-defined jurisdiction, or law itself will become global.

Why the Internet itself does a good job of self policing. Major crime aided by the Internet are prosecuted, so why should people with thin skins, an exaggerated sense of entitlement, or those trying to keep a failing business going, dictate what can happen on the Internet?

John Fenderson (profile) says:

Re: Re: Local laws, global Internet

“How about determining jurisdiction according to where the content is hosted?”

A few years ago, I would have said that since this is an easy and common-sense solution, it would never happen. However, in this age of “the cloud”, it’s no longer so easy to know where the content is hosted.

DannyB (profile) says:

Just change a few words for each case

the best-known example being the EU’s claim that its privacy regulations have to apply globally if they are to be effective.

Just change a few words.

China’s censorship has to apply globally if it is to be effective.

Some state’s kindergarden reading room policies of decency have to apply globally if it is to be effective.

Some other state’s anti-gambling laws have to apply globally if it is to be effective.

Should someone say: this will break the internet?

Anonymous Coward says:

you can blame the USA for this. it always thinks that whatever it wants shut, lost, removed applies to the world, but like so many other things the USA does, it doesn’t like it when the shoe is on the other foot. perhaps if the US courts didn’t try to exceed their jurisdiction, no one else would? this seems to be particularly joined to the entertainment industries and attempts to get companies in other nations closed down, just because those industries dont like what the company is doing but hasn’t yet had it’s balls drop to get a bit of gumption!! typical bully-boy tactics!!

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