The Crazy Permission-Asking Media Scrum That Descends When Photographic News Happens On Twitter
from the insanity-in-the-making dept
As you may have heard last week, a British Airways plane caught fire as it was taxiing on the runway preparing for takeoff. Thankfully, everyone on board escaped with just a few minors scratches and bruises. The plane wasn’t so lucky. However, there were lots of other people around on other flights witnessing the whole thing and — not surprisingly — many of them have Twitter accounts. And, as has become fairly standard when visual news breaks somewhere with people around, they started tweeting photos. Here’s David L. Somers at 4:16pm:
Just landed in Vegas to see this…plane on fire on the Tarmac…people still onboard and running off! pic.twitter.com/ul10hFFw9j
— David L. Somers (@DL_Somers) September 8, 2015
Plane on fire on LAS runway! @FoxNews pic.twitter.com/iQiHzV22Bq
— Bradley Hampton (@Bradley_Hampton) September 8, 2015
Just landed in Las Vegas, plane is on fire. People were on boaard but it looks like they all got off in time. pic.twitter.com/0AN5HvBB5G
— Eric Hays (@ericmhays) September 8, 2015
Now, some of us might marvel at this amazing world we now live in, where everyone can be a broadcast reporter should news suddenly happen around them. It’s kind of amazing. But, perhaps even more fascinating is the somewhat insane mainstream media scrum that immediately follows. All three of these guys were almost immediately bombarded with news producers from TV, newspaper and online media, all asking for permission to use their photos. This is just a sampling because if I posted them all, i think my hand would cramp up from cutting and pasting so many embed codes. Notice that a bunch of the requests come from the very same news organizations, many asking if they can use it on all platforms/affiliates and such:
@DL_Somers Hi David. May we get your permission to use this photo?
— FOX5 Las Vegas (@FOX5Vegas) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers can we please use your pic on @23ABCNews? thx in advance either way
— Justin Burton (@jburtonnews) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers David, may KING 5 in Seattle use your photo, with credit?
— KING 5 News (@KING5Seattle) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers, Hi, I'm a reporter for @ABC's @WNTonight. Glad you're okay. May we have permission to use this photo on all platforms?
— Erin Dooley (@erindooley) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David, may Fox 10 in Phx have permission to use this photo as well?
— Linda Fox 10 (@lindawfox10) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers I'm sure you're annoyed by these requests… but can we also use this pic on-air tonight? Thanks.
— Seth Kaplan (@Seth_Kaplan) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Hello! Can we please have your permission to use this photo on-air and online?
— ABC7 News (@abc7newsBayArea) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers can we use this picture?
— FOX21 News (@FOX21News) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers hey there — i'm with @KATUNews, may we use this image on air?
— Mila Mimica (@MilaMimica1) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi, I'm with NBC Bay Area? Is it OK to use photos on all NBCU platforms w/ credit to you? thx!
— NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers I work for Channel 13 in Las Vegas. Can we use your picture on our newscast?
— Tessie Sanchez (@vegassanchez24) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Andres here with CNN, Can we use your photo permanently on all our platforms and affiliates?
— Andres Gonzalez (@andago101) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David – may we please use this photo on @itvnews?
— Stephen Jones (@SteveJonesITV) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Is this your picture? If so, please can we use it for our coverage on Sky News (UK), obviously with a credit? Let me know, thanks
— Huw Borland (@SkyNewsHuw) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi, I'm requesting on behalf of all media agencies in Kenya, can we use this photo on all our platforms before it's stolen?
— *Michael Shoe Maker* (@ki_bet) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David! Here's another request from the CBS in San Diego… Can we add it to our story?
— Paco Ramos (@kicknpac) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi, I'm with the NY Daily News. Could we have permission to use this pic if we credit back to you? Thanks.
— TWLevinson (@TmasReports) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David – can we use your picture on @SkyNews platforms? Thanks
— Tom Boadle (@TomBoadle) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Would it be OK for FOX11 in Los Angeles to use your photo? We can give you a credit.
— Steve Herren (@Pasadenanews) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hey David. I'm with NBC News. May we have permission to use your photo across all our platforms? Thank!!
— Gemma (@GemmaDiCas) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers May CBS News use this photo for affiliates, web, international and network thanks stay safe!
— Sammy Rose Been (@Sammy_Roses) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers CAN CBS USE THIS PIC?
— david parrish (@dparrishcbs2) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers CBS in Las Vegas, can we use your picture?
— Rebecca Krshul (@rebeccanicolle) September 8, 2015
@DL_Somers we are SaferSkies Nigeria do we have your permission to use this picture on our site and sister publications? @NLIGlobal1
— Safer SkiesNG (@SaferSkiesNG) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers my name is Rugba Karika with NTA 2 channel 5 news. Please can I have your permission to use this picture? Thanks in advance.
— Elyon (@fega_RK) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers hi I work for saudi channel 2 , may I get your permission to use this pic?
— Mawzez! (@Sooma_4) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers hi david CBS Channel 2 news here can we have permission to use this photo? we will credit u on allmedia platforms plz let us know
— Jen P (@Jenwestbay) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers AMAZING PIC DAVID! can we show on the news in Orlando tonight?
— ERIN DREW KENT (@ERINDREWKENT) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers @7ANQ_ hi david , can we use your pic on @spagov ?
— ): #56 (@milani_1899) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers
Hi
May I have permission to use this photo on all platforms?
— AZoooz (@AZIZALALI1) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David did you take this pic? Could we please use it for our FOX News coverage?
— John Potratz (@johnpotratz) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David. I work for the NBC station in Houston (KPRC-TV). May we have permission to use your photo?
— Steve Lulgjuraj (@EPSteveL) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi David. I work for Reuters and we're reporting on this. Would you mind following me so I can DM you about the picture? Thanks.
— George Sargent (@georgesarge) September 9, 2015
@DL_Somers Hi there! I'm from WCBS News New York…can we use this photo on air and all platforms? We will credit you!
— Ariana Induddi (@Ariana_Induddi) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley… FOX31 in Denver would like to see if we can get permission to use your photos on air and online.
— KDVR FOX31 Denver (@KDVR) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton I work for NBC Bay Area News. Can we please use your photos. We would credit you.
— Anthony Leong (@anthonyleong83) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, I work for ABC11 in North Carolina, can we use this picture online and on-air?
— Taylor Lisenby (@TaylorLisenbyTV) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton @Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, Can we use your images with credit at The Australian? Many regards, hope everyone is safe
— Marc Dodd (@marcdodd) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Bradley, Kelsey from CBS News here. May we have permission to use your images of this event on our platforms w/ credit?Thx
— Kelsey Gore (@KGoreCBS) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton I'm with CBSNews – May we use your plane on fire photos for affiliates, web, international and web? Thanks stay safe
— Sammy Rose Been (@Sammy_Roses) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Andres here with CNN, Can we use your photo permanently on all our platforms and affiliates?
— Andres Gonzalez (@andago101) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Are you okay? If so, can CNN use this photo?
— Adrienne (@adriennelu15) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi, I'm with the NY Daily News. Could we have permission to use your pics if we credit back to you? Thanks!
— TWLevinson (@TmasReports) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton @FoxNews would like to use for Cox Media Group, with credit
— Bonnie Buck (@bonniebuck) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi, can NBC Bay Area use these photos across all NBCU platforms with credit to you? thanks!
— NBC Bay Area (@nbcbayarea) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Oh no! HOpe everyone's ok. Can we share this photo on our platforms? You'll be credited.
— Fresco News License (@frescolicense) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton hi Bradley, Polly with @Newsweek. Can we use this photo with credit?
— Polly Mosendz (@polly) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Bradley, may KING 5 in Seattle use your photo, with credit?
— KING 5 News (@KING5Seattle) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, I work with NBC News. Can we have permission to use your photos across all platforms? Will credit you. Thanks!
— Michelle Cho (@mcho24) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley. Can we use your pics on BBC News please?
— James Cook (@BBCJamesCook) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton What a picture! Can FOX31 in Denver get your permission to use on air and on http://t.co/bBIlMoRQV7 with credit to you?
— KDVR FOX31 Denver (@KDVR) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, may we use your photo w/ credit at @wsvn?
— Brandon (@Launerts) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley–Can we have permission to use South Florida Reporter with credit to you?
— Media Alert (@MediaAlert) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton May the European Pressphoto Agency move your photos on our wire with credit to you?
— Matt Campbell (@EPAFOTOG) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, hope everyone is alright, can we use please?
— Alexander Ward (@alexanderj_ward) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi Bradley, I work for 10News in San Diego. Can we use your photo online if we credit you?
— Stacy Haynes (@StacyeHaynes) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton
Great photo. May we use your photos with credit for our news coverage? Please reply. TX
— MailOnline Pictures (@MailOnline_Pics) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton CBS in Las Vegas, can we use your picture?
— Rebecca Krshul (@rebeccanicolle) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Can Demotix news agency in the UK syndicate this photo and the others you have to our media clients with a credit to you?
— Matthew Richards (@forestmat) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton hi bradley, can we use your photo with credit in Manfouha, (Riyadh, Saudi Arabia) newspaper!
— ????? (@jallad) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton hi CBS Channel 2 news here, can we have permission to use this photo we will credit you on all media platforms. thank you!
— Jen P (@Jenwestbay) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Hi there! I'm from WCBS News New York…can we use this photo on air and all platforms? We will credit you!
— Ariana Induddi (@Ariana_Induddi) September 9, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton can we use this image on our platforms for Newsday please respond thanks and great photo Bill Perlman Newsday Photo Editor
— Newsday Photography (@newsdayphoto) September 9, 2015
@ericmhays Hey Eric. Can KTLA use your pic with on screen credit to you? Thanks.
— Nidia Becerra (@nidia_b) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays can we please use your plane fire pic on @23ABCNews? – thx either way in advance
— Justin Burton (@jburtonnews) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Hi Eric, may we have permission to use this photo on-air and online?
— ABC7 News (@abc7newsBayArea) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays We hope everyone is okay! Can we share this with news outlets on our platform? All uses will credit you as the photographer.
— Fresco News License (@frescolicense) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays —– Is this ok if WBZ-TV in Boston uses?
— Chris (@ChrisNWBZTV) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Are you okay? If so, can CNN use this photo?
— Adrienne (@adriennelu15) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Hi Eric. I'm with ABC/KGO in San Francisco. May we air your photo?
— hjtuggle (@hjtuggle) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays hey there — could we please use this photo on @KATUNews?
— Mila Mimica (@MilaMimica1) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Glad to see you?re OK. Can KMGH-TV in Denver use this image for all of our platforms? Please let us know.
— 7NEWS Denver Channel (@DenverChannel) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Can we use your pic with credit on Sanook News (Thailand) ? Thanks.
— Sanook! News (@SanookNews) September 9, 2015
@ericmhays Sir, may MMB air this photo?
— ????? ??????? (@anhniiindigo) September 9, 2015
@ericmhays Can we use your photo? What's your #? THanks.
— Chuck (@CNNEditorChuck) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Hi Eric I'm with ABC News. Wondering if we have permission to use this photo on all ABC platforms with courtesy? Thanks!
— Emerald Zellers (@EmeraldZellers) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays CBS in Las Vegas, may we use your picture?
— Rebecca Krshul (@rebeccanicolle) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays newsday would love to use your photo in our paper tomorrow, can you give us permission? with credit of course photo@newsday.com
— Newsday Photography (@newsdayphoto) September 9, 2015
@ericmhays can we use this photo on all of our platforms @WAOW in Wisconsin? We'll give you credit.
— John Laughrin (@jlaughrin_WAOW) September 9, 2015
@ericmhays Hi, I'm with the NY Daily News. Could we have permission to use this pic? Thanks!
— TWLevinson (@TmasReports) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays Hi Eric, can KDVR/KWGN in Denver use your picture with credit? Thank you!
— ??? (@svmmmer) September 8, 2015
@Bradley_Hampton Please reply if you agree with attached statement so @AP can use your photo of plane fire. Thanks. pic.twitter.com/84npYJ5XBw
— Joseph Altman (@APaltman) September 8, 2015
@ericmhays may we have permission to feature your photo? Verify here: https://t.co/HKODFM0luo
— The Weather Channel (@weatherchannel) September 8, 2015
So what to make of all this? On the one hand, it seems like a fairly strong graphical representation of permission culture these days. In nearly every one of these cases, the news organizations in question would likely have extremely strong fair use protections. And it doesn’t look like any of the three guys above were looking to profit from their photos. To some extent, having taken and posted the photo may have actually been more of a nuisance for them, since they all then had to spend time responding to all those requests. As filmmaker Nina Paley has discussed in the past, permission culture gets super annoying when everyone has to keep asking, and you just want them to be free to use it. But, of course, in an age where every news organization is afraid to get hit with a massive damages award in a copyright lawsuit, they’re all going to ask.
That system seems fairly broken. We have at least some solutions for this. Creative Commons can handle some of it, but Twitter has no way to officially designate a CC license on a photo you’ve posted. That would certainly help a lot. But, overall, the whole thing just seems silly. These photos are news — and they’re initially being posted on public social media for a reason — because those who took them wanted them to be shared and spread. It seems silly that we need such an insane level of permission gating that every news agency on the planet has to bother these guys to ask for permission.
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Comments on “The Crazy Permission-Asking Media Scrum That Descends When Photographic News Happens On Twitter”
Doesn’t Twitter already have a TOS that all content on their platform be released under a certain retweet or maybe a reuse license or something?
TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
And then accuse others of insanity!
I skipped to last paragraph. CC is attempting copyright without teeth, and it’s just not going to work. As with “Dan Bull”, when the content is actually valuable, someone will TAKE IT.
Re: TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
CC is attempting to, at least partially, do away with copy protections.
Re: TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
CC is attempting copyright WITH TEETH. And it will work to whatever extent copyrigtht teeth.
Some people WANT others to take and use their content. And some of that content is valuable. (See Open Source. Red Hat is a billion dollar company built on open source written by others.)
CC is similar to open source. You can take it and use it — as long as you comply with the terms of the license. No need to ask permission. Just comply with the CC license terms.
It will work. It does work now. It will continue to work.
Re: TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
Hey, haven’t you read our new guidelines for shilling? If you’re going to shill you must be
A: Sober
B: On your meds if you are on any
C: Not high on illegal drugs.
Keep them in mind while shilling.
Re: Re: TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
Too bad it’s hard to fire these guys because we can’t easily find a suitable replacement. Sadly this is the best we’ve got. But don’t tell that to our clients.
Re: TL;DR! You quote that mass of drivel and expect anyone to read it all?
“I skipped to last paragraph.”
That explains your very poor understanding of the topic, demonstrated by your unrelated Dan Bull reference.
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Why is anyone surprised? out_of_the_blue has already admitted on multiple occasions that the refuses to read articles before spouting shit about them.
Stoking the ire
Has the AP lost its mind? They had the balls to include a legal agreement that gives them unrestricted rights? Morons who sign such agreements when it concerns their own photographs is a moron for doing so.
Reading through this article, the only thing that pissed me off was that agreement that the AP sent.
For me, I would allow permission of anyone to use the photographs as long as they gave me credit for the photo. Any news organizations that had the balls to send an agreement like the AP did, I would not grant permission to.
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It’s funny because if it’s their photo it’s all rights reserved. But when they want to use someone else’s photo they want all rights granted to them.
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It is organizations like the AP that should INSIST on Creative Commons licensing.
The AP would not need to keep track of detailed rights, or the particular text of a permission grant from a particular photo owner. They would not need to ask for all rights.
The AP would simply record who the owner of the photo is, which CC license it is under, and that would serve as a short easy to understand indication of what rights they have. For exmaple, all the AP needs to do is give credit.
Wait a couple weeks...
These guys will then be sued by these news stations for posting the same pics because it was in their report.
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Or their twitter accounts will at least be DMCA’d by the eleventy-billion news outlets who used their pics.
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I was thinking the same thing. It would be stupid for them to allow the news agencies to use the photos, in the end some bot would eventually spot the photo, and issue/send a DMCA take down. The same way it happened in the Buffalo lake effect video …
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true dat
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If I were them, I would require a promise not to claim DMCA ownership of my work later as a condition of use. Then when they break that promise and DMCA my tweet I can sue them for copyright infringement (violating the terms of my license).
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Well, maybe you can, but chances are that you lose on an infringment claim with this approach. You would probably only have a breach of contract claim.
This area of law gets slightly complicated, and has a number of finer points.
See, for example, Sun v Microsoft (9th Cir. 1999)
(Citations omitted.)
Note that case is merely a taste, and doesn’t cover all the factors that may come into play.
a few minors scratches
Extraneous “s” in there….
AP wants the ability to license the photo one time but also to license it to other regions without licensing it each time from the person who holds the rights to that photo.
Smart article, Mike, as usual, and funny too. Do you mind if I…?
This story seems mostly to be an example of the simple concept that much of the mainstream media out there is respectful enough to actually ask permission to use an image that they may not have the rights to otherwise. Their questions were not to retweet it, but to actually run it on another medium altogether.
It’s not a question of “permission society”, it’s about respect, something that is often sorely lacking in the current grab all you can and run society.
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“something that is often sorely lacking in the current grab all you can and run society.”
Agreed. Between the copyright maximalist’s grabbing up as much of the public domain as they can and locking it up for ridiculous amounts of time, to big media issuing blanket take down requests on content they don’t even own, the total lack of respect is startling…this is indeed a welcome change. Perhaps a bit over the top, but welcome.
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This has nothing to do with respect and everything to do with protection from lawsuits.
Nevermind that the tenants of fair use allow journalists to use newsworthy images without asking permission, because you only need permission if it’s infringing, and fair use is not infringing.
And nevermind that everyone that’s NOT a news organization will unhesitatingly retweet, share on facebook, email to friends, post on their blogs, upload to reddit, etc. any newsworthy or interesting photo they come across all without any show of disrespect.
Putting something online, esp. an open forum like Twitter, is basically giving it to the world.
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I agree that the AP getting permission is their way of avoiding future issues where a photographer gets a big head and decides to sue the media for using his picture.
However, like some other posters are saying, what protection does the photographer have when an AP’s automated takedown bot sends him a takedown notice for “stealing” an AP photo?
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That would be ‘none’, because bots don’t check facts, they simply check if something matches(sorta, kinda, sometimes).
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Nevermind that the tenants of fair use…
Tenets.
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To anybody on the receiving end of such respect, it seems mush more like shark feeding time, with them as the food.
A respectful press would have one or two agencies to request use of such photos on behalf of all news organizations.
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The Masnick just hates it when Whatever sets planes on fire.
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“Grab all you can and run society” vs. “everything has to be owned” and we’ll sue you to death to prove it? I guess you missed this line from the story?
Posting tweets is the modern equivalent of speaking to a room full of people, but we’ve encumbered it now with threats of lawsuits and requests to use statements said in public which should be covered by fair use exceptions written in the law. How is this an improvement over a default of permissiveness? How the hell is civilization going to continue to work when we’re all gagged by default?
Re: Respect
Giving accurate credit to the source is showing respect.
That’s all that ought to be needed or expected.
Once somebody posts something publicly, its….public.
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Giving accurate credit to the source is showing respect.
That’s all that ought to be needed or expected. Once somebody posts something publicly, its… public.
Yeah? You gonna be saying that after somebody posts one of your ebooks or artworks online for people to download without payment, making sure to credit you as the original creator? (-_Q)
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Strawman alert! The purpose of writing and selling an ebook is primarily profit. The purpose of sharing a photo on Twitter is to share the photo.
Re: Re: Re:2 Respect
Exactly.
Re: Re: Re:2 Respect
Choad defence alert! OldMugwump was being overly broad, and you know it.
Re: Re: Re:3 Respect
Why do you insult everyones intelligence when you know that your own comprehension isn’t up to snuff?
You miss the mark, yet OldMugwamp is a choad?
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No, you’re the choad, obviously. What were you saying about reading comprehension, hypocrite?
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if it was about respect, they would just link to it.
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“it’s about respect”
You seem intent on pontificating and commenting on various issues you have absolutely no understanding of, making yourself look the fool in the process, then getting angry when people realize what’s happened.
Creative Commons
I am all for creative commons. If they want it, its theirs. It took little effort to take the picture or video then post it to twitter. IMO, nothing worth demanding any compensation,
This sounds like an article written by someone who’s never done anything worth copying.
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How original.
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and who are you that we may judge what you’ve done that’s so worth copying.
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Interestingly enough, there’s a site out there that copies all Techdirt content. They do an incredibly bad job of hiding that it’s originally from TD, but enough of one to show they’re attempting it.
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Given the fact that Techdirt content is in the Public Domain, I don’t understand what point you’re trying to make.
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That the content is worth copying.
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Well, I considered setting up such a site, but I would say loudly where it’s from. Maybe that’s sentimental.
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This sounds like a comment written by someone who’s never done anything worth copying…
Oh crap.
To tell the truth, this is actually a non article, or something made up to seem like it actually is news.
How many news organizations have had to work with their lawyers because images or video’s they have run with caused them problems? That happened in Staten Island over the police killing of a suspect.
What do you expect? Even if that were not the case, what is wrong with a news organization asking if they can use the image. They probably do have the legal right to use it anyway, fair use or not. Politicians have the right to use certain parts of songs, but it is still a good idea to get permission.
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The problem isn’t that news organizations need to work with their lawyers – the problem is that lawyers are actually running the news organizations. Them and business types who care about nothing but profit. The actual journalists aren’t in charge.
If the news organizations would use and then defend their fair use rights instead of folding whenever it will cost them money, they wouldn’t need to worry so much about it the second or 300th time.
As far as politicians – that’s an entirely different scenario. When you’re a politician and advocating that someone vote for you, and using a song, you don’t ask because you need permission – you ask because artist doesn’t like you, they’re going to speak out and be given attention for someone else.
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“If the news organizations would use and then defend their fair use rights instead of folding whenever it will cost them money, they wouldn’t need to worry so much about it the second or 300th time.”
Maybe if a few of them had not gotten caught in obvious infringement cases, they would not now need to do this.
http://www.buffalonews.com/city-region/federal-court/storm-video-shooter-sues-the-cbc-cnn-for-copyright-infringement-20150818
http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/01/15/us-socialmedia-copyright-ruling-idUSBRE90E11P20130115
http://onenationrising.com/onr-news/fox-news-sued-for-copyright-violation
and so on…
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You seem to have missed the point. This article is not about the integrity or legal liability of the news organizations.
It’s about how completely fucked up our societal expectations are after generations of enduring and embracing the most distorted legal concepts ever invented.
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“To tell the truth, this is actually a non article, or something made up to seem like it actually is news.”
Your opinion is not necessarily the truth.
“Even if that were not the case, what is wrong with a news organization asking if they can use the image.”
The sheer ridiculous volume of tweets shown above show one thing wrong with it. As explained in the article, this would’ve been a major PITA for the recipients. The tweets mostly sound friendly and chummy, like they’re doing you a solid by asking, but I’m sure these guys were pretty sick of the attention after a short while.
“They probably do have the legal right to use it anyway, fair use or not.”
you sound a little confused here. If it’s fair use then they have the legal right to use it. If it’s not, then they don’t.
“Politicians have the right to use certain parts of songs, but it is still a good idea to get permission.”
Music licensing is a completely different (if equally frustrating) topic not at all related to fair use.
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To tell the truth, this is actually a non article, or something made up to seem like it actually is news.
Said the anonymous jackass who still felt it was enough of an article to comment on it. Impressive.
Hey Mike, great article. Mind if I post a comment here? Sign below if you agree.
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Im trying to write my signature, but the pen just seems to scratch my screen
Mmmmmm……..is this permanentscratches head…..ouch!
The request that surprised me
@Bradley_Hampton Great photo. May we use your photos with credit for our news coverage? Please reply. TX — MailOnline Pictures (@MailOnline_Pics) September 8, 2015
The above paper has a history of not bothering with permission for what they use. I guess the Daily Fail’s bad rep finally caught up to them.
TL;DR.
Hey, guys. Thanks for getting my perfectly reasonable comment out of moderation in good time. ;(
Cramps
Thanks, Mike, now I have a very cramped thumb from scrolling past all those stupid tweets because I’m reading this on my phone!
SO I wonder if any of these multi-million dollar companies offered him any money?
I think that they might ask to establish a line of communication in case they want an interview if the story gets big. And sometimes asking nicely will encourage them and others to post photos more, who doesn’t like to feel special.
Dear Techdirt...
may we have permission to post in the comments sections and to have said news stories linked on reddit?
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I have broken my scroll wheel. Thanks Techdirt!