Legislator Thinks Warrantless Cell Phone Searches The Best Way To Combat Distracted Driving

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The Supreme Court’s Riley decision made it clear: law enforcement cannot search cell phones without a warrant. Seems pretty straightforward. Cell phones aren’t mere “containers” — they contain a great deal of information that has historically been afforded a reasonable expectation of privacy. Get a warrant.

Rep. Martin LaLonde of Vermont feels this is just too much privacy, especially when there’s distracted driving that needs to be punished.

H.527, introduced by Rep. Martin LaLonde, D-South Burlington, would allow law enforcement officers to see a driver’s phone or other electronic device, to see if it was being used.

By “see,” LaLonde means “look at web activity, text messages, recent phone calls or anything else that might indicate the phone was in use.” All without a warrant, and based on nothing more than an officer’s suspicion that the driver may have been “distracted.”

LaLonde, another legislator who seems to have little grasp of the particulars of his trade (other laws, the Constitution) says this won’t be an excuse for police to go “rummaging” through drivers’ phones. In support of this assertion, he states that he has no idea what limits will be in place or how any of this will actually work.

[T]he chief sponsor of the bill said he hasn’t “really thought about” what, exactly, would be fair game for a warrantless search under his bill.

Here’s a stab at narrowing the search.

“Essentially, it’s ‘show me your text log,’” he said.

Whatever the fuck that is. To figure out whether or not a driver has been texting, the officer will have to look at a few messages. What if the officer comes across a message that sounds like code for a drug deal? Would it be considered “plain sight,” what with the law authorizing a quick peek at recent activity?

No man is an island, it has been said. LaLonde may be the exception.

No other state allows warrantless searches to combat phone use while driving.

LaLonde is trying to equate distracted driving with impaired driving. While the tragic outcomes of these two behaviors may be similar, the evidence gathered is worlds apart.

LaLonde said he looked at the precedent of breathalyzer tests. Anyone who drives a vehicle on a highway in Vermont is implied to have given consent to take a breath test if an officer suspects him of driving drunk. Refusing to do so can be introduced as evidence in a criminal proceeding.

Under LaLonde’s bill, a driver who refuses police access to his phone would get the same penalty he’d get if he was, in fact, texting.

The privacy impact of giving police carbon dioxide and giving police access to a cell phone aren’t comparable. While the originating actions could both result in criminal charges, only one would allow officers to access a wealth of personal information without a warrant. There’s only so much abuse an officer can perform with a breathalyzer. An unlocked phone, though? That’s a fishing expedition waiting to happen.

It’s not just civil liberty advocates and people with common sense that have problems with LaLonde’s proposal. Local law enforcement officials don’t seem particularly enamored with the legislation either.

Orange County Sheriff Bill Bohnyak, president of the Vermont Sheriffs Association, said he would support the bill, though he doesn’t want to infringe on anyone’s rights.

Thanks for the 4thA hat tip, Sheriff. That’s mighty thoughtful, especially for someone who also heads the local law enforcement union. But why would you support a bill you think might infringe on people’s rights? Are you hoping the Supreme Court will reverse its decision in the next few months? Or are you expecting the War on Terrorism to strip away what’s left of the Fourth Amendment now that the War on Drugs has had its way with with for four decades?

One of Bohnyak’s deputies has his own concerns about the bill… but they’re strictly logistic.

Deputy Bariteau, who spends hours patrolling the roads of Orange County looking for distracted drivers, said he’s concerned about some of the practical aspects of LaLonde’s proposal. For example, he said, there are a lot of different phones out there, and officers might not know how to use all of them.

“If you make a law, it’s gotta be enforceable for us,” he said.

Warrantless cell phone searches are pretty much illegal, but the only thing bothering the deputy is that some phones might go unsearched because of a lack of officer skillz.

Finally, LaLonde defends his proposal by offering up the stupidest, most asinine defense of privacy violations: the “I, for one, welcome our new privacy-violating law enforcement overlords” cliche.

“Personally, if I’m in a car and I’ve been text messaging, I should expect narrow privacy,” he said.

Here’s an idea: if you expect less privacy, then behave accordingly. Hand over your phone along with your license and registration and sign the search consent form. Enjoy your self-imposed lowered expectation of privacy on a one-to-one basis. Don’t forget to ask officers to search your trunk, glove compartment and anus, Rep. LaLonde, because those are all places people have been known to hide contraband and you’re certainly not carrying any of that, right? Be the hero Vermont neither wants nor deserves. But don’t force it on your constituents.

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Anonymous Coward says:

the best way to combat corrupt politics

The Police have the power to warrant-less office, cell phone, server, email, & financial information for ALL political officials.

Now that we have seriously let in terrorists by the front we we must consider that at least one of them has managed to infiltrated Local, State, and Federal Government institutions.

This SERIOUSLY needs to be thrown in their FACES!

Jason says:

missed opportunity?

Passenger behavior, or just having a conversation with them, can also be distracting to a driver. If Representative LaLonde truly cared about combating distracted driving, surely he should be trying to mandate full video and audio recording inside the car at all times, to be turned over to police (without a warrant) on request at a traffic stop. Or, maybe it would be easier if it was just streamed live to the police station. That would save a lot of time and effort, right?

John Thacker (profile) says:

A rash of this going around. a similar one in California, proposed by California Assemblymember Jim Cooper’s (D-Elk Grove), who uses the “child porn” excuse. Over in New York there’s one by Assemblyman Matthew Titone (D-Staten Island), who prefers the old standby of “terrorism” as the reason to bypass strong crypto.

It’s not all Democrats proposing these things, though, as Feinstein (D-CA) and Burr (R-NC) at the federal level claim that they’re going to introduce a bill to do something similar. Though at least introducing a bill is different than actually passing something in all these cases.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: I know this make me a target, but....

Is using a cellphone while driving incredibly stupid, potentially putting the life of the driver and those around then at risk, and deserving a hefty fine for those that are caught doing so? Yes.

It is bad enough to strip away rights? No.

Punish those stupid enough to talk/text while driving in other ways, but don’t start stripping out basic rights to do so.

Haywood (profile) says:

Re: Re: I know this make me a target, but....

Really no argument there, I’m normally a rights first sort of guy. I do find the level of concentration required to drive among the inconsiderate, self important users, well beyond what should be required to safely navigate the course. Compared to pre-cell days, the cars are at least twice as good, the drivers for the most part barely present.
It is to the point where autonomous cars would be a plus in my book, and I truly love driving. I have millions of miles under my belt, & can survive out there, but it is still damn annoying.

Haywood (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 I know this make me a target, but....

Reading is equal easily to the cell phone, but at least with some forms of sexual activity, you can still see the road. I disagree with conversing with passenger, even if you are the moron who must look at the other person, surely you would notice when their eyes got as big as saucers as you steer into the path of an oncoming vehicle, or attempt to rearend the vehicle in front. The other member of the cell conversation does not have this connection.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:2 I know this make me a target, but....

…Plenty of people did all sorts of activity to distract them from the road, ranging from reading a newspaper to sexual activity, long before those devices were commonplace…

Are there any statistics about this? Not defending that behavior (it’s not defensible) but it seems like we hear about more accidents resulting from cel phone (or device) distraction than any other distraction.

And “inconsiderate, self important users” are a problem behind the wheel even without distractions.

PaulT (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 I know this make me a target, but....

“Are there any statistics about this?”

No, but distractions for stupid reasons definitely did happen before phones.

“it seems like we hear about more accidents resulting from cel phone (or device) distraction than any other distraction”

That doesn’t mean they’re happening more often because of phones. The 24 hour news cycle and internet reporting means you hear a lot more about all sorts of things than you did 20 years ago whether they happen more often or not.

“And “inconsiderate, self important users” are a problem behind the wheel even without distractions.”

Oh, I definitely agree there.

nasch (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 I know this make me a target, but....

And “inconsiderate, self important users” are a problem behind the wheel even without distractions.

I heard that certain people are more or less bound to be distracted drivers. If they don’t have a cell phone, they’ll find something else to distract themselves with – playing with the radio, doing a crossword puzzle, whatever. That group of people is the main reason why we need autonomous cars. The other is that even most of the other people who are paying attention aren’t all that good at driving.

PaulT (profile) says:

“By “see,” LaLonde means “look at web activity, text messages, recent phone calls or anything else that might indicate the phone was in use.””

Forgive me if the law does prohibit this, but wouldn’t it be legal to use the phone hands-free? If so, surely it would be legal to use Siri or some other voice command system to send texts while driving, for example? Phone calls at the very least would be legal, unless this jurisdiction has a blanket ban on any activity at all (in which case, do they also ban talking to passengers, or is this a law that only applies when there’s a magical electric box involved?)

Also, none of those logs would show you whether the driver was the one using the phone. According to that logic, if I hand my phone to a passenger to send a text or look up our destination specifically in order to avoid driving distracted, I can now be prosecuted for that even though I’m not using the phone?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

This sounds like an enforcement nightmare privacy issues aside. I don’t see how they would even be able to tell if someone was driving when the text message was sent. If it was sent two minutes ago…maybe the driver had pulled over to send a text message. And how accurate are the time stamps on phones anyway. Also,would the time stamp be when the message was sent or when it went through which could be different if sent in an area with no/bad coverage….And I am sure it is probably different for different OS/etc.

John Fenderson (profile) says:

Re: Re:

“Forgive me if the law does prohibit this, but wouldn’t it be legal to use the phone hands-free? “

It depends on the state. However, using a phone hands-free doesn’t eliminate the problem. Simply engaging in conversation with someone (whether over the phone or with them physically in the car) distracts drivers every bit as much as holding a phone to their heads.

Concerned citizen says:

Re: Re: Re: Search warrants for cell phones of distracted drivers

Well, if an Officer pulls someone over and there phone is no where to be seen, like inside their purse or back pocket, this should be knowledge enough to not be able to search that persons cell phone. However lots of people take out their cells just to video tape the officer’s actions. I don’t think there should ever be any cause for a police officer to search any one’s phones. If he sees them on their phone, then he can say they were distracted by it. We all know that all police officers are not the most honest of people. Some would definitely take advantage of this and look at peoples cell phones that they have no cause to. This would just cause an up roar of citizens. I even personally know an officer who arrested his ex-wives new boyfriend and then him and his police officer friend severely beat up this man. If I know of corrupt police officers then I’m sure that most people know of at least one them selfs. Police officers are corrupt and should never ever have the right to look at personal information of anyone.

Anonymous Coward says:

"Implied consent" is a horrible precedent to rely on

Although you can argue that it does some good, “implied consent” has always seemed to me like another manifestation of “We find your rights to be inconvenient. We have a great rationale to demonize you. Therefore, your rights are void.” Based solely on his use of “implied consent” as a justification, I would oppose this bill, even if I did not agree with Mr. Cushing about all the other problems with this bill.

Anonymous Coward says:

If you really think about it, here is a list of things that are distracting to drivers on the road:

emergency sirens (police cars, fire trucks, ambulances)
pedestrians
cars
trucks
construction workers
traffic lights
trains
buses
taxi cabs
bicyclists
cell phones
GPS devices
radio

and the list goes on and on. The only way to eliminate distractions for drivers is to ban all vehicles from public roads.

Anonymous Coward says:

Let's ban cops on the road because they're distracting

There are so many drivers I’ve seen that act differently (not necessarily better) when they see a cop car. I myself have gotten a ticket because I had a cop that was tailgating me and I was paranoid that he was going to pull me over and glancing in my rearview mirror every few seconds that I didn’t notice the pedestrians that had stepped into the crosswalk. They stepped back on the curb but the cop still gave me a ticket for not yielding to them.

John Fenderson (profile) says:

Re: Let's ban cops on the road because they're distracting

I have a ploicy of slamming on my brakes when a cop tailgates me. Once, the cop rear-ended me as a result. My answer to him when he asked why I slammed on the brakes: “a squirrel ran in front of my car”.

It helps that in my state, any rear-end accident is automatically the fault of the car that did the rear-ending.

Ninja (profile) says:

Don’t forget to ask officers to search your trunk, glove compartment and anus, Rep. LaLonde, because those are all places people have been known to hide contraband and you’re certainly not carrying any of that, right?

Tbh there was a case here where a phone was smuggled into a prison. Anally. So technically this bill includes cavity searches, I guess. /derp

mattshow (profile) says:

This bill requires officers to have “reasonable suspicion” that a person was using their phone while driving.

If a cop sees someone using their phone while driving, they can already issue a ticket . In that situation, the only thing this would do would provide the police with additional evidence to use in case the ticket were challenged. Is this really a pressing problem? Are huge numbers of distracted driving tickets successfully being challenged on the basis of a lack of evidence?

If not, the only thing this bill will cover is that narrow range of circumstances when the cop has “reasonable suspicion” a person was using their phone but isn’t confident enough to write a ticket based on what they saw. That seems a pretty small gain from a pretty big privacy loss.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

Exactly my thought.
There is no way the officer can tell if a text, from even 1 minute ago, was sent with voice control, from a parked car, by a passenger or even by automation (example: automatically sending a text to the girlfriend based on GPS position that you are on the way home) unless he saw that phone in the hands of the driver, while that person was driving.
There is no proof of anything in a phone, unless you take that phone to a technical expert or start giving out fines without regard for the law.
This is either a powergrap for more access or another politician who is wasting everyones time and tax money because he couldn’t be bothered to learn the slightest thing about technology before he condemmed it.

Pissed off damaged goods says:

Its not just about time but common sense

have a neck ache 2 years following an accident when a woman struck my vehicle from the rear. My vehicle has been struck twice more since then. When I climbed out of my vehicle holding my neck, I observed the woman getting out of her Lexus with an I phone in her hand. I didn’t think I needed medical treatment then and I easily settled with State Farm for minimal repair costs to my vehicle.

Now I have pondered this long and hard since and after seeing so many people texting or communicating on their cell phones while driving, I have a new business model for which I’ll share for free now.

Video record and identify people as they are operating their motor vehicles while simultaneously texting or otherwise driving distracted with their cell phones in their face. Next, discover their identity and research their insurance company and notify them. Sue their insurance companies if that insurance company has not taken every means available to warn their insured policy holders to drop all use of the cell phone distractions while driving, etc..

Law enforcement not deterring driving while dangerously distracted use of cell phones should be illegal. Cell phone carriers not cooperating with attempted discovery as to whether a person was operating their cell phone device at the exact moment of an accident could be sued for obstruction of justice, civilly.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Its not just about time but common sense

Law enforcement not deterring driving while dangerously distracted use of cell phones should be illegal. Cell phone carriers not cooperating with attempted discovery as to whether a person was operating their cell phone device at the exact moment of an accident could be sued for obstruction of justice, civilly.

In principle I agree with you. People who operate their cellphones by hand while driving are special kind of bastards, they deserve the status of drunk drivers and it would be great if there was a method to determine this other than witnesses.
Cops do already deter mobile phone usage. With the possibility of voice control and automation, how do you expect them to determine, other than visually, that a driver was using the mobile illigally?
It would be great if there were a system to determine this, but do you think that there is a chance that this system will be used only for this?
You can bet that such a system will be expanded by law to include more and more. I do not and will not trust any system that is not neutral in a way that no human could ever be, to watch my movements like this.
I feel for you, because like many others I know people who have been severely affected by traffic accidents.
It is an imperfect solution we have today, but I really do think that another solution exists that doesn’t provide severe drawbacks.
I put my faith in selfdriving cars to be the solution. It will take decades, but most often the quick and dirty methods will end up worse.

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