As Erdogan Faces Turkish Coup, The Guy Who Once Banned Social Media Sites, Forced To Address Nation Via Facetime & Twitter
from the digital-irony dept
We’ve written a fair amount about Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan. Lately, it’s mostly been about his ridiculously thin skin over insults, and his willingness to take his hurt feelings international. But, even prior to that, he had a history of irrational hating on social media. Back when he was Prime Minister, he tried to blame Twitter for social unrest, even going so far as to order it banned in the country. And, when that failed, he actually sued his own government over the failure to block content on Twitter that he disliked.
Now, as you hopefully know from news sources other than Techdirt, as I write this, it appears that there’s a military coup going on in Turkey, trying to usurp Erdogan. As part of that effort, all those social media sites that Erdogan himself does not like, including Facebook, Twitter and YouTube are being blocked. For Erdogan himself, that’s meant that he’s been cut off from his own means of communication to the public, leaving him to use Apple’s Facetime to call a local TV station to put him on the air:
Turkish TV broadcasts a message from Erdogan claiming he's in control and will punish the coup leaders pic.twitter.com/8grmFarUfl
— Eliot Higgins (@EliotHiggins) July 15, 2016
And, of course, the social media blocks aren’t even that effective anyway — with many Turkish citizens using VPNs to get around the blocks. Plenty of people are now seeing live coverage of what’s happening in Turkey thanks to Facebook Live and Twitter’s Periscope.
See the shocking Turkish coup on the amazing Facebook Livehttps://t.co/uImGjxXXRm pic.twitter.com/vTBp8S8cjJ
— Chemi Shalev (@ChemiShalev) July 15, 2016
The revolution will be televised – extraordinary scenes from Ataturk airport on Periscope pic.twitter.com/LIgByX6OwC
— Rory Cellan-Jones (@ruskin147) July 15, 2016
I have no idea how this will turn out, but from the perspective of how the internet has changed the media landscape, this is all fairly incredible to watch as it plays out.
Update: And the irony gets thicker. Erdogan is now reaching out to the public… via Twitter:
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Comments on “As Erdogan Faces Turkish Coup, The Guy Who Once Banned Social Media Sites, Forced To Address Nation Via Facetime & Twitter”
This is deeply deeply troubling for the Middle East and Europe’s future. As if they weren’t in trouble already.
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Not really. That entire region has been in conflict ever since the Egyptians were visited by aliens who used the pyramids as landing platforms. So its nothing new.
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Given the shape of a pyramid, landing on one could be an eye watering affair..
This is good
Erdogan was not good to his people and not good to the other countries around him.
The Turkish military have a strong history of coups to restore democracy, free law, and a secular (non “islamist”) society. These are all aligned with not only what *we* (outsiders) want but also what the Turks want.
Erdogan has been slowly working his way up to be President For Life™ and this will put a stop to that.
This is good for Europe. This is good for the US. This is good for Israel. This may improve things with Russia. It won’t change anything with Kurds or Syrians.
Not all coups are bad.
Ehud
Re: This is good
Good grief, your perspective is warped. Military coups are pro-democracy? In a healthy democracy the military is SUBSERVIENT to the elected civilian government.
Erdogan is a nasty piece of work – every opposition party opposes this!
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In this case yes — a Military coup would be pro-democracy. When the first-past-the-post elected hardline theocrat frames all dissident leadership for various crimes and then invites his own people into those positions without election, and the military is a drafted military of the people that doesn’t answer to the elected government, but has the mandate to protect democracy and overthrow the government if it goes too far out of line from the constitution (sound familiar?) Then yes. The Turkish military is kind of like all the US militias rolled into one, combined with the Swiss army. Their mandate isn’t to protect the government, but to protect the country. When the government appears to be acting outside of the interests of the country as a whole, the military steps in and removes them, calling a new election so the people can elect someone better.
In Turkey, some variation of this happens about every 10 years. The 2007 one happened bloodlessly, as the militant party attempting to get elected and disband democracy disbanded themselves when the people’s army rattled their sabres.
Re: Re: Re: a Military coup would be pro-democracy.
The trouble is, an essential part of democracy is the checks and balances between different power groups to guard against abuses. A coup sweeps away all that.
You know, power corrupts? Because “trust us, we’re going to restore democracy” so often turns out to be famous last words…
Re: Re: Re:2 a Military coup would be pro-democracy.
Yes, forbid there ever be a coup or revolution when the power is already corrupt. Never mind that in Turkey, this is essentially an institutionalized check and balance. Hope it turns out that way this time, too. But that’s their mechanism. Seems to work at least as well as any other country’s…
Re: Re: Re:2 a Military coup would be pro-democracy.
Hmm, I seem to remember a story about some militias in some “new world” place a couple of hundred or so years ago turning against their English governors and creating a new republic. Even though not strictly a democracy, the result seemed to be an improvement.
Re: Re: Re:3 the result seemed to be an improvement.
Certainly it worked out all right for the slaveowners, who managed to hold on to their slaves for nearly another century, while the mother country was starting to get rid of theirs.
Re: Re: Re:4 the result seemed to be an improvement.
Yes, when looking at analogies some things are the same and some are different.
Way to ignore everything positive about the American Revolution and focus on the one thing that wasn’t so good.
E
Re: Re: Re:5 Way to ignore everything positive about the American Revolution
Hey, I wasn’t the one who brought it up…
Re: Re: Re:5 the result seemed to be an improvement.
Way to ignore everything positive about the American Revolution and focus on the one thing that wasn’t so good.
Not the only thing!
Without the American revolution the US would have been like Canada.
So worse healthcare was also a consequence of the American revolution.
Re: Re: Re:6 the result seemed to be an improvement.
“Without the American revolution the US would have been like Canada.”
They’d have been the underground railroad?
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Historically, Turkish coups have been to restore democracy. There is no knowing if this is the case this time, but it most likely is.
Turkey is almost unique in this situation, where the military coups end in better democracy – most other countries have coups ending in military dictatorships.
Not saying that this particular coup will help restore democracy, or reduce democracy, time will tell there, but in the past, the military coups in recent Turkish history have been to restore democracy to that nation.
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It’s an interesting concept, though weird and foreign to me. I daresay though, that it’ll put a dent in the plans to join the EU. I imagine they’ll say “No membership without 20 years of coup-free politics” or something along those lines. Which is understandable.
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Its not pro-democracy per se, but in Turkey’s history it was pro-secular, which is a tenet of democracy.
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Secularity is not really a tenet of democracy. It’s just that in practice coexistence and tolerance and respect tend to tank eventually when ruled by religion. Or any ideology. Or cultural identity. Humans are an ugly crowd, so you basically need to tie the cultural identity and tribal pride into tolerance and democracy itself.
“The guest is sacred” is one such mechanism actually promoted even in religious/tribal contexts but it works at very limited scales.
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Ehud,
Please remove this comment as it violates my Intellectual Property rights. I trademarked President for Life, and own the domain, which I plan on selling to President Trump’s reelection campaign.
Re: Re: Educated on Trademark law
No worries, Alan, I have no intention of using it in commerce nor to create confusion in the minds of [potential] consumers!
I’m a graduate of the Techdirt School on Trademark Abuse™.
Ehud®
P.S. 🙂 Have a great weekend!
Re: This is good
Erdogan has been slowly working his way up to be President For Life™
Not President for Life – Caliph.
His only real objection to Islamic state is that he isn’t in charge of it.
“NBC News, citing a U.S. military official, first reported Erdoğan was seeking asylum in Germany. After he was reportedly rejected, Erdoğan flew towards London.”
Ouch! Guess he’s going to hang out with Julian Assange…
On the bright side
Well, if Erdogan gets ousted in the coup, he can always get a job as a stunt double for Gollum.
Re: On the bright side
Gollum is a CG character or rather skin. His underlying skeleton actor’s main qualification is flexibility and agility and an excellence sense of compassion for a racially and ethnically diverged entity.
If you want to make an alternate-reality version of The Lord of the Rings after Gollum makes it out of Mount Doom unscathed with the ring, he might be a good pick, but not while Sauron is still around.
So...
If he succeeds, it will prove that he is a coup-coup leader. Ironically, if he doesn’t succeed, legally he can’t say anything bad about the new president.
wow – didnt think i’d get 1st hand info here.
anyway, gollum might as well embrace it, he’s already got pootin’s arm up his rear
You talkin to me?
If (in his mind) he’s banned social media from the country, and is not addressing the country using social media…who exactly does he think he’s talking to????
This shows how the web routes around censorship and is the
one medium avaidable in times of crisis .
Its the most democratic medium and its ironic that
erdogan is now using the medium he tried to censor in the past.
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After he regains control, Erdogan will tighten the screws on Internet media even more. Sort of like how Russian revolutionaries, veterans of Tsarist prisons, used their experience as former prisoners after coming to power to close any loopholes in their own prison regime.
Secretive coup plotters overlooked potential of civilian allies
Given years of discontent by Turkey’s Westernizing urban classes with Erdogan’s Islamizing and increasingly authoritarian ways, I was surprised that all of the street activism was in support of Erdogan. But the coup plotters apparently made no effort to recruit allies on the Internet, instead trying to smother it as an unpredictable element. They were a conspiratorial faction in the security services (the Gulenists) who did not understand how society and the Army had changed. Erdogan has had twelve years to purge the Army of secularist Kemalist generals who might have supported a coup.
Re: Secretive coup plotters overlooked potential of civilian allies
Yes, and unfortunately the coup leaders failed to kill Erdogan and his inner circle, which is of course the logical step to take when trying to remove a regime from power. Perhaps next time the Turkish military will RTFM before trying this stunt and realize that immediate execution of the leader is really the most effective way to prevent him from appealing to the masses to help return him to power.
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The best coup is a bloodless coup, eg when the target leader is away on a foreign visit.
I am doubtful whether decapitation of the leadership would have worked in this case. Erdogan has had many years to remake the Army’s officer corps, and he was acutely alert to the risk of a coup.
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I suspect this was not a carefully planned effort, but rather a last-ditch attempt as Thames felt their power slipping away.
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“they”, not “Thames”
And the backlash is in
After the coup broke down, a number of people have been arrested (not really surprising), and something like 3000 judges have been fired. Obviously, Erdogan uses the failed coup as an excuse to mow down opposition indiscriminately.
I mean: firing judges because of a military coup? He probably has a shit list of judges somewhere who did not hand out the kind of verdicts he likes for being critical.
This will get worse a lot before it gets another chance to get better.
Re: And the backlash is in
The firing of the judges is rather convenient. The more I think about it, the more I believe the coup was intentionally sparked by people secretly working for Erdogan. He knew what was coming and had countermeasures ready, both in the Army and in mass mobilization. The Gulenist military officers fell into a trap, and now they are guilty by the standards of most societies.
Re: And the backlash is in
Yeah I’m waiting to see how many in the coup segment of the military are simply executed.
Turkish TV broadcasts a message from Erdogan claiming he’s in control and will punish the coup leaders
So he’ll try suing them in German courts?
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No, in Turkey. He started by firing all judges who cannot be relied upon to crank out the desired verdicts.
And those of the remaining ones that don’t fall into line as expected will likely be unseated and accused of high treason.
Erdogan is democratically legitimated. Guess who else was almost a century ago, juggling between a few leadership positions until he created his personal one.
You can elect him any time you want but you may never leave. It’s not that uncommon a preposition.
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It’s not the 1st time that Turdogan has sacked judges & military officers that looked at him the wrong way. Strange how the new bunch of sacked judges have the same ideas about the rule of law that the old judges that got sacked held.
Must be something about holding up the rule of law, not the whims of a dictator for life, who has just announced in the aftermath that he is to hold onto office until the end (of his life?).
Turdogan may not have a gold toilet but he sure is performing a golden shower on the Turkish citizens.
the world wants to look out for this guy. since the coup, there has been over 6000 arrests, including 30 generals and 270 judges and he’s stated how he is gonna wipe out ‘all state institutions of the Gülen virus’. this sounds very much to me like a certain person that started WWII and wanted to eradicate the Jews during the process! cant believe that the EU was/still is considering having Turkey as a member. Erdogan is a dangerous man, too dangerous to have as an enemy but even more dangerous to have as a friend!
Plot?
The coup was so amateurish it’s not hard to believe it was a put-up job by Erdogan himself. Army all over Istanbul and Ankara but none at the airport – while Erdogan was off in the countryside and would fly back? No attempt to fly to his resort and arrest him ASAP? No attempt to hold on the TV studios (just a hit-and-run) or the phone company? Police forces organized to go up against heavily armed Army groups almost immediately (and the Army surrendered!)
Where’s the prime ring-leaders paraded on TV afterward? Instead, he’s arresting a flock of Army brass that appears well in excess of the number that were needed to command that tiny amateur farce. Looks more like Erdogan just has his own enemies list and he’s found or manufactured an excuse to work his way through it.
Re: Plot?
I thought about that. And failed coups are ripe for further radicalization afterwards (see Hugo Chávez). Turkey has my prayers, they’ll need every help.