Court: Planning To Get A Warrant Is As Good As Actually Having A Warrant When Searching A House

from the thoughts-and-affidavits dept

What do you give a DEA agent who has everything (but a warrant)? If you’re the Seventh Circuit Court of Appeals, you give them the warrant — the one agents obtained hours after they performed the search of someone’s home. From the conclusion of the court’s decision [PDF]:

All agree: the DEA entry team entered Huskisson’s house unlawfully. We do not condone this illegal behavior by law enforcement; the better practice is to obtain a warrant before entering a home. Ordinarily, the evidence found here would be excluded. But because the government had so much other evidence of probable cause, and had already planned to apply for a warrant before the illegal entry, the evidence is admissible.

It’s not just the “better practice.” It’s a Constitutional requirement. Probable cause alone does not give the government permission to search a person’s home. Probable cause simply gives the government what it needs to obtain a warrant to search a home. The home is given the utmost protection by the Fourth Amendment. Here’s what the Supreme Court had to say about this issue in 1961:

At the very core stands the right of a man to retreat into his own home and there be free from unreasonable governmental intrusion.

Planning on getting a warrant is not — and has never been — the equivalent of obtaining a warrant.

The footnote under this conclusory paragraph is as useless as the Seventh Circuit’s opinion, which gives the government a free pass to search first, affidavit later, so long as they have enough probable cause to support a warrant application.

See Order Den. Mot. to Suppress at 9–10, ECF No. 76; Order Den. Pretrial Mot. at 6, ECF No. 165 (denying defendant’s motion to reconsider denial of suppression motion); Trial Tr. vol. 2 at 298–99, ECF No. 211 (posttrial order again denying motion to suppress). Additionally, as noted above, at trial three DEA agents testified the plan was always to seek a warrant once Hardy had confirmed there were drugs in Huskisson’s home.

The beginning part says the lower court came to the same conclusion: a warrant in mind is as good as a warrant in hand. The second part just confirms the facts of the case: the DEA agents searched a house before obtaining a warrant.

The facts of the case don’t help. They don’t really explain two consecutive courts’ decision to treat a warrantless search as a Constitutional search. The DEA was working with a cooperative drug dealer it had already arrested, using him to set up drug buys with its target, Paul Huskisson. DEA agents listened in on phone calls their informant made, building up plenty of probable cause to support the arrest of Huskisson and the search of his house. Agents listened in on nine calls over the course of a day discussing a drug purchase.

The DEA wanted corroboration Huskisson had illegal drugs inside his house. Agents sent their informant into the house to complete the purchase. The informant gave the drug task force team (DEA agents plus local drug warriors) the signal that he’d seen the methamphetamine inside the house. At that point, law enforcement entered the house and arrested everyone inside. Huskisson refused to consent to a search of his house, but the meth was out and plainly visible to officers.

A few hours after this search, the DEA finally applied for a search warrant.

[T]he warrant application contained the following two sentences that underlie this appeal: “The law enforcement officers observed an open cooler with ten saran wrapped packages that contained suspected methamphetamine. The suspected methamphetamine later field tested positive for the presence of methamphetamine.” The magistrate judge issued a search warrant for Huskisson’s house around 10:30 p.m. the night of Huskisson’s arrest, about four hours after the initial entry.

The lower court said this was fine. Even without the lines about the meth the warrant contained enough probable cause to support a search of the house. So does the appeals court. In both cases, the fact that a house was searched without a warrant is handwaved away by the existence of other probable cause and supporting evidence. But that still doesn’t address the illegal entry in the first place.

Nothing in the opinion does. The entire discussion revolves on whether or not the meth seen in plain sight after the illegal entry influenced the obtaining of a warrant four hours after the search occurred.

The court carefully weighed the evidence from both sides; when faced with two inconsistent statements from the same witness, the court credited one based on the totality of the evidence. In so doing, the district court concluded that an errant statement by Detective Kinney did not outweigh the other evidence of the government’s plan to request a search warrant, regardless of what they found in the house.

Because the presence of drugs in plain sight apparently didn’t nudge the needle on the warrant request (and despite the affidavit including the drugs in plain sight), the lack of a warrant doesn’t affect anything. That appears to be the Seventh Circuit standard: as long as law enforcement has some probable cause and plans to seek a search warrant at some point, it can step inside someone’s home and take a look around. Everything else explaining away the removal of a warrant requirement is nothing more than rights-damaging filler.

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Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Leftist?

When I was in poli-sci, the leftwing judge would _fix your parking ticket for you. It was the rightwing judge that was tough on crime.

(And yes, Harris came out recently with the slogan Tough on crime, tough on Trump. Given tough on crime means tough on poor people or tough on minorities, it’s not a good branding for Harris, especially since we expect our police state under a Harris Administration to get only policier.)

R,og S/ says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Leftist?

Its a by product of the Domestic Violence Industrial Complex, and the McKinnon-Dworkin war on porn (feminist theologian Catherine McKinnons father George helped create the FISA courts, for example).

So, in situations to "protect the children and te wimmins" the warrant requirement is tossed, in favor of faux-exigent circumstances.

So, doors are routinely kicked in all across America in domestic violence and child protection cases.

This is what the pseudo left meant by "militant feminism.”

blarb says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Leftist?

Fascinating spin. Completely wrong and moronic of course, but a fascinating attempt to redirect. This is DEA. These are drug laws. Why not look at the obvious relevant laws. You know. The ones where we disenfranchise millions of minority voters with trumped up charges and long prison stays. The record keeps them from ‘taking jobs’ from the white people. The police across many red states can impound your car because they ‘suspect’ you might have drugs. They can freeze your bank account and rob you of every penny as ‘evidence’ of your ‘crimes’ that they suspect. Crack and Cocaine HCL are the same drug. Crack has been put into an acidic solution (vinegar) and then pushed into a basic solution (baking soda that’s been put in an oven on a cookie sheet) Yet prison time for crack is 10x that of white-people’s drugs. The industrial prison complex is a huge cash cow for the right wing, and ya’ll love authoritarianism. Don’t bring your ignorance and misogyny in here and try to blame someone else for the sickness that is you. This is all you. Embrace the fruits of your disease!

R,og S/ says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Leftist?

…um, yeah, Blarbarella, you seem to know WaaaAAAAAY too much about crack. Ditch the pipe, honey, and rejoin the living, huh?

But the only thing spinning here is you, on a Harry Potter vibrating broom, that you never seem to learn how to fly, cuz, hasbara /NGO /racializing /ADLified/other distracting/derailing type trolling.

What you know about the law and the domecile or other private spaces could be written on a fingernail with a crayon.

And, the attack on the domecile, aka, the house /home /hearth /castle, whatever, while not new, was in fact, strengthened and MASSIVELY deployed in the DV sphere by the paternalistic/gendered/blatantly biased VAWA that was cheered on by the Andrea Dworkinites, and their cunty McKinnons.

And this only enabled the bullies with badges of whatever alphabet or gender to wage war on males, not females.

As for massage -a -vaginy or whatever you are on about, well, off the top, I can think of a few women who DESERVE well earned hate, just like I can think of a few men, but really, massage yer own vaginy, cuz I aint yer dildo, legally, metaphorically or otherwise.

And, in case you missed it, the agencies are chock full of "empowered women ” who, for whatever ideology they personally use to define themselves -all of these are working now for fascist /police state purposes. Go get ’em girls! Its for the childrins!

So, massa…miss OGS …misssaggy …..whatever that distracting, divisive word is, has nothing to do with hatred of women, and EVERYTHING to do with distracting us from seeing how, "empowered " the modern surveillance state is; and, how ideologically feminist, by any rational reading.

Or, does actual equality stick in your craw, and make you cackle such off topic nonsense as you did above?

But the Domestic Violence Industrial Complex (DVIC ) IS what the DEA relies upon, every time it kills or invades; and it relies on the "safety of de wimmins,an der kinder "; and depending also on women for their electoral /congressional/judicial / extra -judicial/media narrative complicity.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: Who said judges cannot be creative.

Not sure why you see left/right in this issue, perhaps if you pointed out exactly what it is that upset up so.

Do you always call court rulings you disagree with leftist?
Our once great country … when was that exactly? Was that when women did not drive, vote or talk back? Was that when it was ok to own another human being? Is that when immigration was under control?

We have had problems with immigrants ever since we came to this country.

R,og S/ says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Who said judges cannot be creative.

Its a by-product of the marriage between neocon artists and militant gender lesbian feminism.

You know-Americas “other right wing”

These sliding scales of Constitutional interpretation started with VAWA in 1993, as pseudo-feminists began to craft Constitution-free zones in family courts, domestic violence, anonymous rape accusers etc.

Now, the marriage is complete, as we see that the attacks on the domicile itself is warrant-free, and the muscle bound, shrunken testicles of the men and women at the DEA and their comical task farces adopt DVIC reasoning.

N. 'Flagrant' DeLicto says:

So, dead child in sight, would need a warrant?

HMM? Just anyone answer that.

The Constitution does NOT require law enforcement to be idiots. Period.

Techdirt has of course slanted this to the left until it’s horizontal, but it’s solid law. I endorse it.

Extreme loony "libertarian" Techdirt is silent on the harm to those using meth. Those persons don’t matter compared to drug dealers.

James Burkhardt (profile) says:

Re: So, dead child in sight, would need a warrant?

No evidence present in the case suggests that exigent circumstances existed such that the few hours at most necessary to obtain a warrant would have affected the results of the search. Its why the exigent circumstances exception exists – to address situations that require immediate action without the formalities.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Extreme loony "libertarian" Techdirt

If you haven’t noticed, Techdirt is much less "libertarian" and much more "progressive" than it used to be, but that transformation might just be playing to the user base. Like Masnikc calling Steven Crowder an asshole a dozen times in a single article as if to virtue-signal which side of the culture war he firmly stands on (libertarians prefer free speech over "protecting vulnerable communities" as progressives demand) But like any sort of business, you’ve got to do whatever pays the bills and keeps you out of trouble, and maybe that’s a reason why left-leaning libertarians, sadly, seem to be a rarity these days in this increasingly polarized society.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re: Dead child

It happened in a movie once. Ah yes, Star Chamber 1983, action thriller about a Judge Hardin (Michael Douglas) frustrated with bad guys getting away on technicalities because of that darned old Fourth Amendment. (It was actually a bloody boy’s shoe spotted in a van.)

Hardin is introduced to the Star Chamber, a secret cadre of judges who review cases of acquitted bad guys, and hire hit men to take them out when evidence indicates they’re looking pretty guilty.

Eventually the Star Chamber decides a couple of men are guilty when it turns out they weren’t and Hardin takes justice into his own hands (er… injustice? extrajudicial justice? checks on extrajudicial justice?) and tries to stop an execution the Star Chamber commissioned.

While the cases involved are very atypical in which the crimes are heinous, the inadmissible evidence is foolproof and the bad guys are 80’s Hollywood heavies through and through, the story really tries to show the nuances of limits on police search and the dangers of exceeding the limits of law.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:3 Saving dead children.

We don’t have the capability to do so, though we’re approaching the capacity to clone a child from living cells. Depending on the age of the child that may be considered a suitable replacement.

No, I think I brought the movie up because it was a place where a police-officer spotting an implied dead child was part of a case, so I was speculating that may be where N. ‘Flagrant’ DeLicto pulled that specific scenario.

IRL the scary scenario is when a living child runs to police from her kidnappers, but their captors are able to successfully convince the officers they’re her proper guardian. Back to the underground brothel for her.

R,og S/ says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Saving dead children.

Re: *but their captors are able to successfully convince the officers they’re her proper guardian. Back to CHILD PROTECTIVE SERVICES underground brothel for her.

….there, fixed it for ya.

Yeah, even Edward Abee couldnt save the boy in Whos Afraid of Virginia Woolf; or Tilden/s, in Sam Shepards Buried Child.

And I dont think all those cocksuckers with the universal pedophile symbol of spiraling triangles on their badges will do any better.

In fact, statistically, it looks like in their bizarro world argot language, saving kids IS pimping them, but only AFTER the state gets a fat million dollar bonus check for sticking a kid in foster care in the first place .

S.A. CP Distributor says:

Re: Re: Re:4 Saving dead children.

I was thinking more like the offshore servers that CIA /JTRIG and the rest of black ops that they run from Japan, Thailand, South Korea, and curiously, Malaysia.

And, how especially Britain and Sweden used targeted porn directed at so -called militants during that illegal Iraq war.

We get the slightest glimpse of this in the movie Zero Dark Thirty and news reports from that time detailing how the agencies found porn in bin Ladens lair, or how jihadis are alleged to use copious amounts of porn; but also, that female CIA /FBI are actively involved in underground, targeted porn distribution, all over the world.

Its not a virus, lil fappers, its a long term, persistent implant that tracks your porn habits, and then, uses redirection and code injection to introduce illegal porn into your “free ” porn supply.

Welcome to black ops meeting Andrea Dworkin.

Pixelation says:

Seems like

It seems like the question is, would the judge have granted a warrant at the point just before the police entered the house illegally. They had recorded calls and a witness who said there were drugs inside.

"The expanded independent source doctrine refers to situations where states invoke the independent source doctrine, and courts admit partially tainted warrants if the untainted information in the warrant is enough to establish probable cause."

Is the court in this case saying they had enough evidence before the entry to get a warrant?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

There is a reason judges are judges and cops are cops. Judges are suppose to make the call on whether there is sufficient probable cause or reasonable suspicion to sign a search warrant before the cops go rummaging around a man’s castle, NOT COPS.This sounds like this judge is saying, "Go ahead Boys, we’ll straighten it all out later. Just do what you feel you have to do." This is not America.

Annonymouse (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:

Oh but this IS America.

The only change from the past is that more people are watching and willing to share on a large scale.

This is why they are trying at every opportunity to gain control of the internet with all their speech stifling new laws.

Until all involved in such shenanigans are held responsible and punished it will remain as it is and always was.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:2 Not noticeably but...

When I was a kid, I watched Nixon resign. And Carter was perhaps our last truly honest, well-intentioned President.

Reagan opened the big jar of lobbyists and soft money.

The thing is, we can trace the money-based pre-primary to the 19th century, so we have tried a true (uncorrupted) democracy about as well as the Soviet Union tried communism.

Also police brutality was a big issue for MLK and the civil rights movement before I was born. And already the dirty tactics used to make protestors sorry were in full use. They were also by then deep in the wars against mobs, from whence our shoot-first policies emerged.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Re:4 The worst form of government

Who said something like democracy is a good system of government, and someone should try it? I couldn’t find the quote.

"Many forms of Gov­ern­ment have been tried, and will be tried in this world of sin and woe. No one pre­tends that democ­ra­cy is per­fect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democ­ra­cy is the worst form of Gov­ern­ment except for all those oth­er forms that have been tried from time to time.…" — Winston Churchill, House of Com­mons, 1947-11-11

We haven’t tried sortition and my argument was to say we haven’t really tried democracy. And in the US effort to try Democracy we tried a variant that was too easy to game.

Were we not facing the looming likelihood the human species is going to crap itself to extinction, rendering the whole experiment moot, I would be optimistic that a future nation could try again or try something else with the awareness of human nature we have today (as opposed to many of the false presumptions we had in the 18th century).

ECA (profile) says:

Everyone here...

Do you understnad what a Warrant has to have ??
It must tell you what they are looking for, and any specifics as to its location. and a reason for the warrant.

Do you really want a DOG, at a traffic stop? to search your car after 20-30 minutes of Sitting their because the COP stopped you for a broken tail light(and there wasnt a broken tail light). And thent he cop says he saw Smoke form the car as it passed and decided to stop and check to see if you were OK, and then Smelled MJ/drugs int he car…And the Dog Hits’ on something and they TEAR your car apart RIGHT THERE, to discover that the dog hit on 2 year old Baby Puke???

David says:

Re: Everyone here...

And the Dog Hits’ on something and they TEAR your car apart RIGHT THERE, to discover that the dog hit on 2 year old Baby Puke???

Well, if the dog can smell the drugs in 2 year old baby puke, that must have been one heck of breastfeeding junkie in the car. Let’s get childcare involved.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: Re: Don't get us started on the dogs.

You mean the trick pony dogs that are now hated by the police detection dog sector. Trick pony dogs alert whenever the handling officer directs her to, which makes an easy justification of searches. The Chicago report of 97% false positives when dogs were used to search latins came from trick pony dogs.

In the meantime, that trick pony dogs exist at all raises challenges to the legitimacy of actual detection dogs. When you’re searching thousands of pieces of luggage for the one with a bomb (say at an airport) then a trick pony dog that signals at every other piece isn’t going to help much. But there’s no secret record keeping at the kennel regarding which dog’s legitimately trained to sniff out drugs, and which ones are trained to signal whenever the handler wants.

If a dog signaled on baby puke, then it was probably a trick-pony dog who wouldn’t pass a detection test.

Anonymous Coward says:

I don’t want to see the bad guy get away, and that’s the reason that all of these exceptions exist – if we exclude evidence because of (mistake), the bad guy will get away; but if the government did what they were supposed to, they would have gotten the evidence, so it’s admissible.

If a court is always going to apply the perfect fantasy world of ‘they would have got him if they did everything right’ then there’s a lot of legal "protections" in place that won’t actually protect anything, because they apply to misconduct that will never have occurred in perfect fantasy world.

However, the government didn’t do what it was supposed to. It did make a mistake. There needs to be consequences for that mistake, so that the government is encouraged to do its job correctly.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

I don’t want to see the bad guy get away, and that’s the reason that all of these exceptions exist

Will you say the same thing when the cops turn over your property on w whim and find nothing?

If the evidence exists, usually a small delay will not cause it to go away, specially if the suspect has not been warned. All exceptions do is allow the cops to make a search, and justify the the search on what they find, rather than predict what they will find in a warrant,

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:

Will you say the same thing when the cops turn over your property on w whim and find nothing?

Yes, because they’re statements of fact. I don’t want to see the bad guy get away. That "don’t let the bad guy get away" reasoning is why courts have created the exceptions.

However, the rest of my post should indicate that while I don’t want to see the bad guy get away, I don’t agree with the exceptions.

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re:

I don’t want to see the bad guy get away, and that’s the reason that all of these exceptions exist – if we exclude evidence because of (mistake), the bad guy will get away; but if the government did what they were supposed to, they would have gotten the evidence, so it’s admissible.

One word: Tough.

There’s a reason the limits are in place, and it’s to avoid the government just searching anything they care to on a whim because they’re sure that the other party is guilty. If the price of the government having limits meant to protect everyone, innocent and guilty alike, is that occasionally a guilty person walks free because the government couldn’t be bothered to follow the laws that they expect everyone else to follow that’s just too bad, and maybe having what would have been a solid win tossed will encourage them to follow the law the next time.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

The courts are part of the justice system

And the courts define (by oft-fanciful interpretation) the rules of engagement by law enforcement against the public.

Since justices, prosecutors and law enforcement officers are rated by the number of convictions, there is a conflict of interest.

No one is protecting the rights of the public, and as such they are getting dismantled, one exception at a time.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re:

In the case of Nix v Williams, the defendant revealed the location of the body without having been given access to his lawyer, however the location of the body was independently verifiable from separate evidence, and could have been found without questioning the defendant. That is the inevitable discovery doctrine: evidence obtained from an illegal search can still be admissible if it could have been obtained independently from that search.

If the incriminating evidence would have inevitably been discovered even in the absence of a search of the house, then that exception would apply. But since the evidence was inside of the house, it couldn’t have been obtained in the absence of the search and therefore could not have inevitably been discovered independently.

That One Guy (profile) says:

When your words are undercut by your actions

All agree: the DEA entry team entered Huskisson’s house unlawfully. We do not condone this illegal behavior by law enforcement; the better practice is to obtain a warrant before entering a home.

So two things here. One is that the ‘we don’t condone this behavior’ line is a flat out lie, given they are about to give it a pass as acceptable. Another that I didn’t catch in the first read, is that they apparently consider getting a warrant a ‘better practice’, rather than what it is, a constitutional requirement , and given we’re talking not about some random judge but a federal court of appeals, that it just all sorts of bad.

Ordinarily, the evidence found here would be excluded. But because the government had so much other evidence of probable cause, and had already planned to apply for a warrant before the illegal entry, the evidence is admissible.

And here’s where the above lie is made crystal clear. If they really objected to what the police did, and really didn’t condone it, they would punish the police for it, in this case ruling that evidence gained by the unconstitutional search was inadmissible. That they in fact cleared it as good to use in the court makes clear that they do in fact condone the actions, and are making it very clear that at least in that area of the country warrants are nice to have, but not actually needed, because fuck the constitution.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: When your words are undercut by your actions

From the decision:

Though the government should not profit from its bad behavior, neither should it be placed in a worse position than it would otherwise have occupied.

This is the flawed premise by which the Court justifies the exception. The unspoken next sentence of that premise is "So we’ll let them profit anyway."

Really though, the government should absolutely be placed in a worse position as a result of its bad behavior. What would you expect your kids to do if you show them that nothing bad happens when they break the rules?

That One Guy (profile) says:

Re: Re: When your words are undercut by your actions

The kicker of course is even the court wouldn’t accept it’s own argument if a defendant without a badge tried it.

If someone was charged with breaking and entering/trespassing because they broke into a for-sale house and lived there until they were arrested, and they tried to claim that because they had been filing the paperwork to buy it and were planning on paying later they shouldn’t be punished for their actions there is no chance any court, including this one, would buy that excuse and give them a pass.

Soon as someone puts on a uniform and badge though suddenly the rules go out the window and just about every judge in the country becomes circus-level contortionists, able and willing to bend however much they need to to avoid having to rule against anyone with a badge.

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re: When your words are undercut by your actions

The micromanagement of citizens is getting worse and worse. More ridiculous laws being put on the books and seems like everyone or anyone nowadays are making these laws. Its meat and potatoes for these law whores. Its turning this country into the police nation. We should be piuring out beyond our nation’s borders to escape thus tyranny. Why aren’t we? These leftist usurpers of our nation’s government are letting people pour into our country. Every prison is getting a gillotine so those who deal in body parts get the murdered inmates’ untainted organs. Something very sick and twisted going on in this country. How they have packaged our whole nation’s industry and are trading it away to clear debt with China? Vatican, England? They have stolen TRILLIONS of our nation’s wealth and stored it underground. I mean, "Fuck." WTF?

Digitari says:

Re: Re: When your words are undercut by your actions

You mad Bro?

Thisis equality, your equal with the President, you cheer when it happens to "Bad Orange Man" but bitch when it happens to you.

Now your "equal"

equally fucked by the judiciary. It’s what yall screamed for, why don’t you like it??

why would anyone think they are above the president of the United States?

It happens to him or COURSE it’s going to happen to you, so why you mad bro??

Digitari says:

Re: Re: Re:2 When your words are undercut by your actions

Please, show me where I said that??

or it’s only bad when it affects you?

does bad judiciary decisions only work in that way?

do bad state judgements, mean bad federal judgements are ok??

Nice strawman you tried to create, My statment still stands

it’s "equality" from the Judiciary, why you mad?

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Re: Re:3 When your words are undercut by your actions

Please, show me where I said that??

The post to which you initially responded said "Everyone associated with this condonement ruling"

Then you said:

you cheer when it happens to "Bad Orange Man" but bitch when it happens to you.

It happens to him or COURSE it’s going to happen to you

Since your original response was to a comment about this ruling regarding a warrantless search (which, indeed, is what the entire post is about), and your response is that if "it" can happen to the President then "it" can happen to anyone, that leads to the conclusion that the "it" you’re talking about is a warrantless search. Which leads back to my question of "when was Trump subject to a warrantless search?"

If the "it" you are referring to is not a warrantless search (which is the "it" that everyone else was talking about), then you should define exactly what your "it" is before using pronouns in order to avoid confusion.

Anonymous Coward says:

Well, I hope this goes up to the higher courts and gets completely thrown out. At this point, I don’t give a crap about this suppose drug dealer. I care far more about the police stepping all over our rights. The slippery slope continues. It needs to end. We need to fight these tyrants that think they’re above us. Clearly, that’s the case with their own disgusting Blue Line Flag.

Avenger says:

This is what the War On Drugs was DESIGNED to do. They just have to insert the thin end of the wedge, and slowly, slowly push harder, slowly tighten the noose (I wouldn’t say ‘softly, softly’ as anyone who’s been abused by LE will attest to, it’s not a relaxed experience).
People are ignoring the slow removal of Habeas Corpus and insitution of Fascism that the War On Terror, following the success of the War on Drugs – IS DESIGNED TO BRING-ABOUT.
It’s not like we have tens of millions of WWII dead and millions of War on Drugs/Terror dead to remind us to learn from the mistakes, or anything… no, poor innocent us didn’t know any better.
Which is what the scum DEA and other LE lie to themselves and their families about. With the exception of those heartwarming L.E.A.P. decent human beings.
Much love and respect to anyone refusing to be a doublethink-infected, two-faced sociopath for money, be it federal salary or any other form.
The REAL war is against this – the destruction of the innocent human being! RESIST!

Anonymous Coward says:

Re: Warrant Application

Don’t pass up an opportunity to participate in the last check and balance we the people have on the government. They’ll intimidate us demanding we adhere to the law and pay us $5/day, but you rule on the facts of the case AND whether you believe in the laws applicable for that case. They know that and for that reason get most cases plead out before a jury gets their hands on case.

Uriel-238 (profile) says:

Re: To be expected after the Playpen debacle

Where the FBI took over the Playpen darknet site, upgraded it so that it worked right, served child porn for two weeks during which the user base multiplied, sent out malware to track people, and then refused to prosecute when doing so involved revealing the malware an investigatory secret to a judge.

In the meantime, the 1990s and aughts were the pinnacle of Russian porn which has become the replacement stereotype for Swedish porn circa 1960s-1980s. Their trick was the same as regards UK porn models who are 16 or 17: tell the stupid Americans that all those Russian girls are 18+. They don’t even ask for proof.

SA C.P. Distributor says:

Re: Re: To be expected after the Playpen debacle

OOPS….this was sposed to go here, srry fer de repost:
….
Uriel, I was thinking more like the offshore servers that CIA /JTRIG and the rest of black ops that they run from Japan, Thailand, South Korea, and curiously, Malaysia.

And, how especially Britain and Sweden used targeted porn directed at so -called militants during that illegal Iraq war.

We get the slightest glimpse of this in the movie Zero Dark Thirty and news reports from that time detailing how the agencies found porn in bin Ladens lair, or how jihadis are alleged to use copious amounts of porn; but also, that female CIA /FBI are actively involved in underground, targeted porn distribution, all over the world.

Its not a virus, lil fappers, its a long term, persistent implant that tracks your porn habits, and then, uses redirection and code injection to introduce illegal porn into your “free ” porn supply.

Welcome to black ops meeting Andrea Dworkin.

Anonymous Coward says:

This shall be a wonderful case to cite for everyone who insists on a link to a court decision, which is always right and is the final word.

No warrant required unless something turns up that may require one. Everyone got that?

Who do you think will be next after the nazis, racists and drug dealers?

Gun owners is my guess.
Should we start a pool? We can have two regarding this as we can have a separate pool as to who is going to scream the loudest that that will never happen as it is written in the constitution protecting those gun rights, like the warrant requirement.

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