Nintendo Hates You And The Company Most Certainly Does Not Want You To Co-Stream 'Nintendo Direct'

from the direct-as-in-direct dept

If you're a fan of gaming giant Nintendo, you really should know by now that Nintendo hates you. More specifically, when Nintendo is presented with a choice to either allow its rabid fans to express their fandom in new and interesting ways or attempt to exert iron-fisted control over every last thing, the company will always, always, always choose control. From taking down fan-games, DMCAing let's plays and much-loved video game music from its properties, or shutting down fan-projects for fiction or movies, the company behaves as though it just can't help itself. To be clear, Nintendo is typically within its rights in taking these actions, but it doesn't have to. This is a choice, not a necessity.

And now, on the cusp of this year's Nintendo Direct, the company's E3 presentation that serves essentially as one giant commercial for what's coming out from Nintendo in the near future, the company has put out a statement in Japan insisting that nobody co-stream the event.

Leading up to the event, the Kyoto-based game company has issued a request on its Japanese Twitter account: Do not co-stream our presentation.

“Please refrain from mirroring Nintendo Direct footage and sound during the Nintendo Direct livestream,” the tweet reads. Nintendo will allow simultaneous viewing (reactions, basically) without mirroring—and thus, without streaming sound or footage.

Nobody seems to be sure if this applies in other countries, such as America, as well. Even if this is limited to just Japan, or perhaps especially if this is limited to just Japan, this makes little sense. The very idea behind big productions like Nintendo Direct is to generate massive amounts of interest in future Nintendo projects. Why in the actual hell would the company not want that production disseminated as far and wide as possible? Why limit the avenues by which people can watch what is essentially a commercialized hype-video for its own products?

This is something akin to when companies have on occasion DMCA'd their own commercials on sites like YouTube, except those are typically done in error. I guess some should take this as a sign that maybe Nintendo doesn't actually want you to watch Nintendo Direct this year.

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  • identicon
    Pixelation, 15 Jun 2021 @ 9:22pm

    unNintendoed consequences

    Don't pay for their games, I think that is the message.

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      Anonymous Coward, 15 Jun 2021 @ 9:28pm

      Re: unNintendoed consequences

      I mean, according to Jim Sterling it's morally okay to pirate them because their business practices of artificial scarcity, TD's various coverage of how Nintendo is a rabid control freak,stifling their fan's creativity, etc.

      Now I'm not SAYING you should, I'm just saying there's a case.

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        Wyrm (profile), 15 Jun 2021 @ 10:16pm

        Re: Re: unNintendoed consequences

        And I always disagreed.

        My personal policy is: if someone doesn't want your money, just use someone else's products.

        If a game/movie/music studio doesn't let me "consume" their entertainment for some reason (geographic or service restrictions, basically), I will not go through hoops and loops to do so. I won't bother pirating, I'll just play/watch/listen to something else. There is a ton of entertainment out there, after all, so I don't need any one production in particular.

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    PaulT (profile), 15 Jun 2021 @ 10:50pm

    "We have a huge marketing event, so what we need to do is limit the amount of ways that people can view the advertising, and stop them from discussing what they're excited about when we announce them."

    I'm sure this makes sense to someone. Not me, but someone.

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      tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 1:04am

      Re:

      > "We have a huge marketing event, so what we need to do is limit the amount of ways that people can view the advertising, and stop them from discussing what they're excited about when we announce them."

      I'm sure this makes sense to someone. Not me, but someone.

      If they let you stream it on your own channel, nintendo's user counters are not being increased and then nintendo's customers will think that the product isn't popular enough. The counters are all that matters, so nintendo tries to steer users to use official stream directly from nintendo headquarters.

      Why should your blog get the users, if nintendo created the material?

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        PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 1:27am

        Re: Re:

        Wow, it's been a while since I've seen your brand of breathtaking insanity.

        "nintendo's user counters are not being increased and then nintendo's customers will think that the product isn't popular enough"

        You don't make any sense, as usual. Nintendo's customers don't give 2 shits how many people are watching the advertisements overall, they care about the content. They may care how many people they can sit with in their chosen venue to watch the stream and talk with during the event, but they don't care about overall numbers.

        "Why should your blog get the users, if nintendo created the material?"

        Because they get extra viewers who aren't viewing the main streams, thus giving them free marketing during a marketing event. An event whose entire purpose is to get as many people as possible excited about upcoming products to buy. Thereby increasing the number of people likely to preorder the products they announced.

        I know you don't understand the slightest thing about marketing, but this shouldn't be rocket science, even for you.

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          sumgai (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 9:24am

          Re: Re: Re:

          Paul, I'm a bit tempted to give you the same treatment as you just gave to td, but I promised the wife I'd be a nice guy today, so....

          td is correct, but he lacked using the one word that would've clued you in - beancounter. Yes, the times they are a'changing, and even Japanese companies have come to the realization that a company in fierce competition for entertainment dollars has to watch what it's doing, and has to make every effort to control costs and maximize profit. Beancounters have only one metric for this, and that's to... count visitors (read: eyeballs).

          Since these guys can't quantify anything outside of their immediate control, they get all upset when things like 'free publicity' come into play. After all, and it does make a kind of sense, you can't depend on free publicity, so how much should you allocate for your advertising budget. That's case study right there, in almost any business school.

          But the fact that said 'counters appear to 'running the show', that's a bit more concerning, at least to me. It tends to show that things in Japan are getting tense, and planning for the long-term is giving way to Harvard MBA-style thinking. And that's bad for everyone, not just the Japanese economy, trust me on that one.

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            That One Guy (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:14am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            There's a really easy solution to that: You don't count on free publicity you treat it as an extra. You budget for your standard publicity and if anyone else decides to boost it you chalk it up as a bonus, and if that makes it more difficult to accurately count how much the attention you get is due to your efforts as opposed to the efforts of fans the tradeoff of increased attention should more than make up for it.

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            nasch (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:58am

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            td is correct

            (it's tp btw)

            He claimed that:

            1. Nintendo's customers care a great deal about how much attention the publicity event gets, and are closely watching the view counters* and making decisions based on that information
            2. "The counters are all that matters" In other words, it doesn't matter how many people actually see the marketing material, or what they think of it, or word of mouth advertising. All that matters is visitor counts on the web site.

            That is what you're going to defend as "correct"?

            * which I doubt are even made public, which completely invalidates this whole claim

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 2:05pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              We all know that everybody only likes something that everyone else already likes. What's the confusion?

              [p.s. /s, and also ignore the paradox]

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              sumgai (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:59pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

              (it's tp btw)

              Yeah, caught that error right afterwards, sorry 'bout that.

              Yes in fact, that was the whole point of my treatise, that things are changing for Nintendo's economical outlook when they feel the need to pull a stunt like this. Prior to just now, I would've agreed with you that a decent budget would not attempt to take "free publicity" into account, but when things are tight you start looking into every corner for relief.

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                nasch (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:08pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                when things are tight you start looking into every corner for relief.

                How does things being tight make it a good idea to shoot yourself in the foot?

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                That One Guy (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 8:26pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re:

                Prior to just now, I would've agreed with you that a decent budget would not attempt to take "free publicity" into account, but when things are tight you start looking into every corner for relief.

                If that was the motivation then they should be cheering on the fans spreading news of their upcoming products and making it easier for them to do so as that's free publicity that they don't have to pay for, not cracking down on it in typical Nintendo fashion.

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            PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:54pm

            Re: Re: Re: Re:

            "td is correct"

            Maybe he is, but since tp is the guy in the thread, and he specifically said that customers won't think the product is popular enough if streams aren't locked down, he's obviously wrong. Maybe in his barrage of insane rambling he used the wrong word, but I can only respond to what he actually said. If he meant Nintendo staff won't think that, he should use a word that doesn't mean the opposite of what he meant.

            "It tends to show that things in Japan are getting tense, and planning for the long-term is giving way to Harvard MBA-style thinking"

            No, it shows that Nintendo's management are still struggling with 21st century promotion and gaming styles. None of this is new, it's just hilariously obvious that they have problems when they try torpedoing their own marketing like this.

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    That One Guy (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 2:16am

    'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

    If people didn't keep taking the backhands Nintendo hands out and asking for more it would be downright hilarious how insane the company is when it comes to anything they own, as they show a level of obsession with keeping an iron grip on anything Nintendo that it seems to veer into 'you should see a psychologist for that, that's not healthy'-levels on a regular basis.

    As it is it's more in the sad/disturbing range to see a company show such open contempt for their biggest fans and still have fans despite that.

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      tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 2:28am

      Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

      show such open contempt for their biggest fans and still have fans despite that.

      It might come as suprise to some people here, but not everyone in the world is against strict copyrights. In fact, techdirt is the only island in the world where such contempt against copyrights is being spread. Techdirt stands alone.

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        Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:25am

        Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

        If Techdirt stands alone I must be imagining things when I visit torrent freak, or hear share this at the end of Podcasts licensed under creative commons. Oh, and the BSD/MIT licenses do not exists.

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          tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:52am

          Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

          If Techdirt stands alone I must be imagining things

          Yes. Techdirt was chosen as a focus area because it was clear that they'll have biggest problems with copyrights, given their constant contempt against rule of law. Thus real information needs to be provided, instead of the propaganda against copyrights. RIAA's and MPAA's position needs to be made explicit, and then everyone can decide themselves whether to follow the rules or ignore them.

          This ability to provide stricter and more consistent copyright story is important for the young people who explore the internet and end up reading techdirt articles.

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            Rocky, 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:19am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

            This ability to provide stricter and more consistent copyright story is important for the young people who explore the internet and end up reading techdirt articles.

            Like being sued for copyright infringement after singing Happy Birthday, that's a good story to bring up. Or how fans paying homage to the favorite characters is getting sued or how even a convention gets shutdown. Or how their youtube-videos are getting copyright-claims from 8 different entities monetizing their video that happens to be 100% original. Or how music labels DMCA's their own content.

            Yeah, lets educate young people how strict copyrights impacts them and our culture.

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              tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:29am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

              Like being sued for copyright infringement after singing Happy Birthday,

              Yes, relying on someone elses work is always bad sign. If some unknown author invented happy birthday song and made it popular and tried to collect the reward for the hard work, then your pirates failed to purchase the cd-rom and instead tried to perform the song without permission from the copyright holders.

              Or how fans paying homage to the favorite characters is getting sued or how even a convention gets shutdown.

              Yes, if your convention is based on star trek or mickey mouse characters, obviously part of the money needs to go to the copyright owners and thus a permission is required. Otherwise unauthorised vendors are using the goodwill of the copyright owner's market to compete against disney world and licensed trekkie conventions.

              Or how their youtube-videos are getting copyright-claims from 8 different entities monetizing their video that happens to be 100% original.

              The random static that they used in the background was copyrighted by the entertainment industry.

              Or how music labels DMCA's their own content.

              Of course music labels can try to teach proper copyright practices by showing examples of what kind of horror they encounter in their jobs of filtering out pirated material from their published music content. Teaching DMCA notices and how they work is just basic music industry training camp material.

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                PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:35am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?

                "Yes, relying on someone elses work is always bad sign"

                How dare those people celebrate their own family's birthdays without paying a ransom to someone who died before their grandparents were born!

                Thankfully, not everyone is a deranged idiot, and it's now back in the public domain, where it was promised to be delivered decades before your type got involved in changing the deal after the person agreeing to the deal died.

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                  tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:12am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have anot

                  How dare those people celebrate their own family's birthdays without paying a ransom to someone who died before their grandparents were born!

                  So, you think the current practice is somehow better where ransom is being paid to the criminals who dare to hack into oil pipeline's computer systems and lock the files with encryption/deletion?

                  Basically the current practice is rewarding people who cause damage.

                  Copyright on the other hand, rewards people who actually create something useful.

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                    deadspatula (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:59am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have

                    “Someone will steal your money, and by god that someone should be the copyright industry” - TP

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                      tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:31am

                      Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I h

                      by god that someone should be the copyright industry

                      The money actually circulates in the market, if all vendors who actually contribute to the product gets their share of the profits.
                      Obviously if you don't want to give authors their share, obviously you'll have problems with sharing the money with copyright industry.

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                        Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:39pm

                        Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may

                        “Obviously if you don't want to give authors their share, obviously you'll have problems”

                        Obviously a big ass citation is obviously needed obviously.

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                    Rocky, 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:54am

                    Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have

                    Copyright on the other hand, rewards people who actually create something useful.

                    Well, we know that's not true. It's almost like you think that slapping a copyright on something means you are entitled to a lot of money.

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                Rocky, 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:41am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?

                The random static that they used in the background was copyrighted by the entertainment industry.

                This tells me you are a fucking troll, which means anything you say has zero value. You are one of humanity's shit-stains and you will never accomplish anything of worth.

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                  Anonymous Coward, 19 Jun 2021 @ 8:09pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have anot

                  To be fair we live in a universe where birdsong and white noise of all things were hit with copyright notices. If some executive thought he could make bank suing YouTube content creators for usage of random static, there'd be nothing stopping him from doing it.

                  The difference between you and me from the likes of tp is that Tero Pulkinnen would consider the above scenario as a plus.

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                Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:44am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?

                Yes, relying on someone elses work is always bad sign.

                Congratulations. You just described Disney's Business model. Hell, you described Nintendo's ascent into being the Video Game Disney, considering that Mario's first appearance was in the game Donkey Kong, and Nintendo famously won a court case against Universal Studios by proving that King Kong was in the public Domain.

                It doesn't end there. There was a Nintendo game called Balloon Fight which was just a ripoff of Atari's Joust.

                So yeah, even the big companies aren't 100% original.

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                  PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:50am

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have anot

                  "So yeah, even the big companies aren't 100% original."

                  The major things announced in Nintendo's stream this year:

                  • Another Zelda sequel
                  • Another Metroid sequel
                  • Another Wario Ware sequel
                  • Another Mario Golf game
                  • Tekken characters being introduced to Smash Bros
                  • Super Monkey Ball being ported to the Switch
                  • Older Mario party levels added to the Switch version

                  Sure, there's a bit more to it, and Nintendo first party content is normally top notch, but you have to laugh at the idea that they're hives of concentrated originality to the point where they have to hide even their own marketing materials from people.

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                Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 8:49am

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?

                Yes, relying on someone elses work is always bad sign.

                Tell that to Walt. The House of Mouse was built off of someone else's old work. Because if you believe that we'd get the entertainment giant off of just Steamboat Willie, I've got a bridge or two to sell you.

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                  Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:13am

                  Not even "Steamboat Willie" is original.

                  Not only that, but Walt Disney's Steamboat Willie was derived from Buster Keaton's Steamboat Bill, Jr. (See here), which in turn came from the 1910 song "Steamboat Bill".

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                Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:43pm

                Re: I think we are done here.

                “If some unknown author invented happy birthday song made it popular and tried to collect the reward for the hard work...”

                The one Warner Brothers falsely claimed they had a copyright on for decades?

                That’s your example?

                Really?

                Goddamn you’re stupid.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:37pm

            Re: Nothing worse than a butthurt fanboi

            “given their constant contempt against rule of law.”

            How many hundreds of people did the RIAA mistakenly sue?

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        Rocky, 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:01am

        Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

        Oh? It seems you are under some severe misapprehensions. Just to give you an inkling how far up in your ass your head is, your own little project would be neigh impossible if you got your wish on strict copyrights.

        I can guarantee that you are using things that have permissive licensing, like GPL and the like. Those licenses came about in part to combat strict copyrights while giving users freedom to copy, improve or just to learn from others without the fear of being sued for infringement.

        In other words, your argument comes from the viewpoint of someone who doesn't have a clue. If you really are for strict copyrights, may I suggest you stop using OSS or anything dependent on it.

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          tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:11am

          Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

          those licenses came about in part to combat strict copyright

          no, GPL relies on the strict copyright stuff, when they say in the license that noone has a permission to copy the software without accepting the license. I.e. GPL is actually using the strict copyright policies to force their worldview to all users. It does not "combat" struct copyrights but instead embraces it fully.

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            Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:32am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

            What about the BSD/MIT licenses? There only requirement is that source code attribution is let in place.

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              tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:07pm

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

              What about the BSD/MIT licenses?

              copyright-wise they're no better than copyright infringement. The reason is that those licenses do not have the section about "only accepting this license gives permission to copy/distribute the work" which is there in GPL/LGPL. Basically lack of this "strict copyright area" in those licenses makes users of those licenses forget that they're not allowed to use material that isn't covered by BSD/MIT licenses as freely as they use BSD/MIT licensed material. This means over time, users of those licenses will actually become pirates when they consider all products on the planet as free as BSD/MIT licensed material. This is the danger with permissive licenses -- half of their users are actually pirates. ¨

              Basically everyone needs to learn to reject those works which are not covered by permissive licenses, and failure to do that operation will make those users pirates.

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                Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:56pm

                Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?

                copyright-wise [BSD/MIT Licenses are] no better than copyright infringement.

                Oh Jesus, you're really dumber than what I enter into the toilet. You're comparing free licenses to Copyright Infringement? Maybe Larry Lessig should set you straight as to what the differences between free licenses and piracy are.

                [Spoiler alert: it's the difference between allowing people to freely come and play on your garden and people trespassing on your garden]

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                  tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:15pm

                  Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have anot

                  it's the difference between allowing people to freely come and play on your garden and people trespassing on your garden

                  It's more like inviting users to your garden, but then building eletcric fence to it which electrocutes the users who fail to follow the borders of your garden.

                  Copyright infringement would be like intentionally electrocuting your tong in the electric fence.

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            PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:41am

            Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

            Strange to see you of all people defending the GPL...

            Anyway, you're barely conversant with the truth, as usual. GPL, CC and other licences exist because without them the only choice is overbearing copyright from people who believe that ownership is more important than progress and creativity, or public domain where those people can freely take.

            So, other licences are available which depend on the existence of copyright for them to be effective, but immediately replace the standard licence with something usable for people who understand the human concepts of sharing and collaboration.

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              tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:57am

              Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: 'Thank you Nintendo, may I have another?'

              that ownership is more important than progress and creativity

              Progress and creativity does not happen without proper ownership practices... The problem with your pattern is that developers get bored maintaining the copyrighted work when the work becomes old, outdated or simply too much work to maintain. The ownership rights are needed to keep maintainance activity ongoing while the market success is against the copyrighted work.

              Open-Source-Software is already seeing developers fleeing the maintainance work and going to long holidays instead of supporting users who chose to explore that work. Half of the github bots are designed to close bug reports that haven't been fixed in a year with comments like "please reopen if it's still an issue"... Given that the authors didn't bother to fix the issue, it's obviously still an issue.

              Ownership rights are fixing this by giving incentives for developers to maintain their own work. I.e. money is flowing from end users to the people who do maintainance work. Open-Source-Software completely failed in this money flow aspect.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:38am

                Progress and creativity does not happen without proper ownership practices

                People were pretty fucking creative for the thousands of years before copyright. People would still be creative if copyright were abolished (or at least heavily reformed) tomorrow.

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                  Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:54am

                  Re:

                  While I don't want © to be abolished, I do agree that there will still be creations with or without copyright. Just look at what the Blender Studio has produced with free licenses!

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                    Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:03am

                    Re: Re:

                    Just look at all the written works, plays and music produced before the statute of Anne, which is when copyright became an authors right. Prior to that, copyright was a censor licensing publication, and a means of regulating printers. It had nothing to do with creativity, other than the Hollywood accounting variety, which existed long before Hollywood became a thing.

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                      Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:07am

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                      copyright was a censor licensing publication, and a means of regulating printers. It had nothing to do with creativity, other than the Hollywood accounting variety, which existed long before Hollywood became a thing.

                      Just so we're clear, Are you talking about the Conger?

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                        Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:24am

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                        No, as Imprimatur, and the stationers originally being censors for the state are the roots of copyright. It advantage to the printing industry was control over who could print a title, which was significant when months, if not years of typesetting and printing preceded the first sale, and the printer printed as many copies as they thought they could sell. The only lever that an author had was ownership of a manuscript, and possibly a copy as either took time or money to create a copy. Once they sold said manuscript to a publisher, they lost all control over the work.

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                  That One Guy (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:04am

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                  If anything these days people are creative in spite of copyright rather than because of it, of the content I run across(from videos, stories to artwork) a huge chuck of it is derivitive and built upon the works of others and likely wouldn't exist were strict 'ownership practices' adhered to and everything required permission.

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                    tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:52pm

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                    a huge chuck of it is derivitive and built upon the works of others and likely wouldn't exist

                    Yes. This kind of works where authors do not invest their time to the creation process, shouldn't really exist at all. Building the world to be better place takes significant maintainance effort and there's no point in creating works where authors spent 20 minutes to copy-paste someone elses work and mix&matched it with some content ripped from some games. End users require better quality than this, and mere 20 minutes effort is simply not enough to raise the work to the level where it could possibly be useful to any of the end users. End users are complaining about the quality of the work, even after spending 10 years fine-tuning it to the parameters that users are requesting, so mere 20 minute effort is nowhere near acceptable quality. And after spending 20 minutes for creating it, are those same people going to maintain the work forever, or will the maintainance work be passed to someone else? Shouldn't original authors maintain it until their death?

                    Basically people who do not follow strict copyright are underestimating the effort it takes to maintain the copyrighted works. If the market is filled with BS works where the author has no intention to maintain it, then real authors do not get enough shelf space.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 8:12pm

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                      there's no point in creating works where authors spent 20 minutes to copy-paste someone elses work and mix&matched it with some content ripped from some games

                      This is rich coming from someone who used a Friday Nights at Freddy's model for his tech demo.

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                        tp (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 12:28am

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                        This is rich coming from someone who used a Friday Nights at Freddy's model for his tech demo.

                        Yes, the current content creation practices are nearing ridiculous, when the only way to get community acceptance is via copyright infringements. Supposedly we should be cloning other works and not creating anything of our own.

                        Happily licenses are available for part of the content..

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                      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 8:53pm

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                      And who gets to determine whom is a “real” author? If it’s idiots like you, it’s no wonder no one respects copyright or it’s slobbering toadies.

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                        tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 9:04pm

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                        And who gets to determine whom is a “real” author?

                        Real authors would be those who would anyway get a publishing contract in the old world of gatekeepers...

                        Obviously gatekeepers get to decide who is worthy of the praise.

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                      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 11:35pm

                      The evidence that you are at least somewhat intellectually disabled continues to pile up.

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                PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:57am

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                "Progress and creativity does not happen without proper ownership practices"

                Millenia of human progress disagrees with you.

                "The problem with your pattern is that developers get bored maintaining the copyrighted work when the work becomes old, outdated or simply too much work to maintain."

                Yes, and in fact this is a direct reason why so much of today's tech innovation happens - people get tired of working as corporate drones supporting outdated legacy tech that their employers don't want to replace, so they do something that interests and excites them in their spare time. FOSS is a massive success because the people who work on it want to work on it, not just put in the bare minimum to fix a bug left by someone before they started with the company.

                "Open-Source-Software is already seeing developers fleeing the maintainance work and going to long holidays"

                Only the people with the misfortune of encountering you. In the rest of the world, people having a decent summer holiday is not a bad thing, and competent project owners on a global project can get by if the northern hemisphere goes away for the summer.

                "bug reports that haven't been fixed in a year with comments like "please reopen if it's still an issue"

                What's funny is that your dumb ass thinks this is only a problem in open source projects. I've seen 15 year old bug reports in major corporate environments, the only difference is they're only visible by the poor lost souls employed to view them.

                "money is flowing from end users to the people who do maintainance work"

                One day you'll learn that there's more to creativity than getting an hourly wage - which is why you're stuck lying and complaining about the successful people who actually did quality work.

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                  Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 1:26pm

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                  One day you'll learn that there's more to creativity than getting an hourly wage - which is why you're stuck lying and complaining about the successful people who actually did quality work.

                  Exactly. As proof, see Jackey Rey Neyman Jones' story about Manos: The Hands of Fate and how that movie being in the public domain was actually the best thing that could've happened to her and her father's estranged relationship.

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        PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:32am

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        "not everyone in the world is against strict copyrights"

        True, but you'd have to be some kind of special moron to believe that copyrights need to be protected to the point of blocking your own advertising material from being broadcast to potential customers.

        Wait, sorry, just remembered who I'm talking to...

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          tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 4:40am

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          True, but you'd have to be some kind of special moron to believe that copyrights need to be protected to the point of blocking your own advertising material from being broadcast to potential customers.

          The practice of keeping accurate authorship information is one of the core elements in copyright protection. The copyright notices attached to each work are required to contain this authorship information, and modifying that information is strictly forbidden by the copyright laws.

          Reposting nintendo's material to your own blog and mixing and matching small sections of the material to the blog's content basically strips away original authorship information and replaces it with blog author's authorship information. This alone is important reason to reject permission requests requesting reposting of the material in random blogs.

          But not only that, but copyright law is very much completely based on the principle that it's copyright owner that gets to decide how far the material can be reproduced and posted on the internet. So if nintendo as the copyright owner decides that some uses of the material are outside the allowed limits, copyright law is protecting those decisions with 300k damage awards for infringement of those decisions.

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            Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:41am

            The practice of keeping accurate authorship information is one of the core elements in copyright protection.

            Only you could see a Nintendo Direct put on by Nintendo that focuses on Nintendo games and contains tons of Nintendo branding, yet still think “wow, I wonder what company did that”.

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              tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:46am

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              Only you could see a Nintendo Direct put on by Nintendo that focuses on Nintendo games and contains tons of Nintendo branding, yet still think “wow, I wonder what company did that”.

              This piece of authorship information seems to be only available in the original nintendo's site. The reposted blog posts have removed those markings and they only reproduce the part which is most interesting to their readership. I.e. all authorship information has been removed.

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                Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:09am

                This piece of authorship information seems to be only available in the original nintendo's site.

                The presentation is literally called a “Nintendo Direct”. I don’t know how you think people are talking about that video without actually mentioning Nintendo, but trust me, no one thinks Capcom or EA or fucking Microsoft put out a Nintendo Direct.

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                  tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:23am

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                  but trust me, no one thinks Capcom or EA or fucking Microsoft put out a Nintendo Direct.

                  Sure, but this is only the first level... First capcom takes nintendo marketing material and posts it without authorship info. Then blogs like slashdot get interested, and strip away even more authorship info and adds some bullshit description of how nintendo is doing their evil operations. Then finally techdirt decides to post the same story, again stripping away further layers of authorship information. Then the content is available everywhere, but nintendo's authorship info is nowhere to be found. Instead all the blogs just replicate some bullshit about how nintendo is evil and supports copyright.

                  At some point, the company just need to stop it.

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                    PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:33am

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                    "First capcom takes nintendo marketing material and posts it without authorship info."

                    I don't think anyone except for you is going to see that and think that the new Zelda is a Capcom game... Even if they did, Capcom aren't getting any money from the store on the Switch when people buy the final product.

                    "Then blogs like slashdot get interested, and strip away even more authorship info"

                    Because a blog writing after a livestream about what happened is going to remove that info from the stream? Do you have any understanding of the subject at hand? Probably not, which is why your attempts at insight are always funny.

                    "Then the content is available everywhere, but nintendo's authorship info is nowhere to be found"

                    ...but, it's still an advertisement for things sold by Nintendo, so even if what you imagine did happen, who the fuck cares? People still need to buy the game being advertised from Nintendo no matter if they're stupid enough to think that Slashdot made Mario.

                    "At some point, the company just need to stop it."

                    Yes, they do need to stop being so monumentally stupid that they think they need to block their own marketing materials over fear of things that cannot happen.

                    We know that you're a spectacular failure at marketing, but you'd have thought someone at Nintendo would be more familiar with their own markets..

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                      tp (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:47am

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                      People still need to buy the game being advertised from Nintendo no matter if they're stupid enough to think that Slashdot made Mario.

                      At that point, the message isn't any longer that users should be buying new game, but instead its being filled with bullshit like nintendo supports copyrights and copyrights are evil. They even forgot to include the url to the site where the game can be purchased or preordered. Without that url, selling a game to customers gets slightly difficult. If everyone who sees adverticement video needs to track the game from huge supplier network instead of just clicking the url... Basically the layers that supposedly make the game more popular, are actually building larger and larger blockers for customers to access the authorised dealers who can sell a copy of the game. When there are large blockers available, users will just choose pirated copy of the game instead of finding the author's representative. This way the layers and layers of blogs that repost the marketing material are supporting the piracy ecosystem instead of doing anything that would help nintendo market their games.

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                        Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:56am

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                        They even forgot to include the url to the site where the game can be purchased or preordered.

                        You have to have a Nintendo Switch, and it's really easy to shop at the eShop.

                        As usual, you know nothing.

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                        PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 11:06pm

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                        "At that point, the message isn't any longer that users should be buying new game, but instead its being filled with bullshit like nintendo supports copyrights and copyrights are evil"

                        Nobody restreaming the marketing announcement is going to be saying anything like that, and even if they were it should fall clearly under fair use.

                        "They even forgot to include the url to the site where the game can be purchased or preordered."

                        So did the official stream AFAIK. You might be so stupid that you don't know of the thousands of places where a Nintendo product can be pre-ordered, but their targeted audience don't tend to be.

                        "If everyone who sees adverticement video needs to track the game from huge supplier network instead of just clicking the url"

                        There was nothing to click in the video, and most people are capable of going to Amazon or similar if not nintendo.com.

                        "blogs that repost the marketing material are supporting the piracy ecosystem"

                        They are not, but at least people are choosing quality Nintendo games and not supporting people like you with their purchases.

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                    Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:46am

                    First capcom takes nintendo marketing material and posts it without authorship info.

                    are you fucking mental

                    Then blogs like slashdot get interested, and strip away even more authorship info and adds some bullshit description of how nintendo is doing their evil operations.

                    oh my god you are

                    Then finally techdirt decides to post the same story, again stripping away further layers of authorship information.

                    holy fucking shit you might actually be intellectually disabled

                    Then the content is available everywhere, but nintendo's authorship info is nowhere to be found. Instead all the blogs just replicate some bullshit about how nintendo is evil and supports copyright.

                    okay there’s no “might” about it any more, jfc

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                      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 2:16pm

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                      Now i want to know who the actual authors are, as "Nintendo" is not bloody well an "author".

                      Oh wait nooooo, credit can't go to actual people working there or something. Never mind.

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                        Samuel Abram (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:00pm

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                        Under US Law, Corporations can be authors if they pay people to do the work for them (i.e. "work for hire"). See here:

                        The author of a copyrighted work may be a person or an institution. Typically, the author of a work owns the copyright in the work. However, under the U.S. Copyright Law, for a work made for hire, that is a work prepared by an employee within the scope of employment or a specially ordered or commissioned work, the employer or other person for whom the work was prepared is considered the author.

                        The theory is that the one who pays the piper writes the tune, so to speak.

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                    nasch (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 7:28am

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                    First capcom takes nintendo marketing material and posts it without authorship info.

                    Ahhhh, the stupid, it burns!

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                    Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 3:47pm

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                    “At some point, the company just need to stop it.”

                    If only you’d heed your own advise...

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                      AC Unknown (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 9:12am

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                      I don't think tp would heed their own advice, considering the number of times they've tried to do this same thing and gotten shut down by Techdirt commentators.

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            PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:59am

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            "The practice of keeping accurate authorship information is one of the core elements in copyright protection"

            A damn shame that the current copyright system makes it impossible to keep such a list, then.

            "Reposting nintendo's material to your own blog and mixing and matching small sections of the material to the blog's content basically strips away original authorship information"

            We're talking about live feeds here, you drooling idiot. All that's changed is the extra detail put on top by the people hosting the stream. Everyone still knows it's a Nintendo marketing event.

            "copyright owner that gets to decide how far the material can be reproduced and posted on the internet"

            Yes, and they're as stupid as you are if they think they can increase sales by blocking their own marketing material.

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              Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 5:52pm

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              Tero Pulkinnen's the guy who thinks the public domain purely exists as a database of content to nuke from orbit in case it gives people a reason not to use his third-rate Blender ripoff.

              I don't know why people keep giving him the benefit of the doubt.

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                tp (profile), 23 Jun 2021 @ 4:23am

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                the public domain purely exists as a database of content to nuke from orbit in case it gives people a reason not to use his third-rate Blender ripoff.

                This problem can always be solved by changing the licensing. Placing the magic words "All rights reserved" to the location where available licenses are supposed to go to, will surely increase the adoption.

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                  PaulT (profile), 23 Jun 2021 @ 5:27am

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                  Ah, yet another reason why you're such a desperate failure. You don't believe in the actual concepts at hand, you think it's all about finding magic words. Everyone else is out there creating things that allow others to create, offering people what's useful with a robust support structure, and you're here trying to find the right incantation to force people to choose you instead.

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                    tp (profile), 23 Jun 2021 @ 12:25pm

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                    You don't believe in the actual concepts at hand, you think it's all about finding magic words.

                    Today's newsfeed (at https://www.theregister.com/2021/06/22/third_party_libraries_veracode/) there was info that "functionality", "licensing" and "security" are the most important elements when selecting a library. This means magic words are needed in those areas.

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                      PaulT (profile), 24 Jun 2021 @ 12:34am

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                      No, those are concepts that should be considered when choosing a product, not magic words to chant to get what you want. You've trying to do the latter, and it fails as hilariously as your marketing attempts.

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                        tp (profile), 24 Jun 2021 @ 4:55am

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                        those are concepts that should be considered when choosing a product, not magic words to chant to get what you want.

                        I implemented "functionality" part properly, so "licensing" and "security" can be a little bit sloppy...

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                          PaulT (profile), 24 Jun 2021 @ 5:08am

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                          "I implemented "functionality" part properly"

                          You just forgot things like a coherent interface or actual reason for anyone to use it...

                          "so "licensing" and "security" can be a little bit sloppy..."

                          Licensing is sloppy because the people you constantly cheerlead for have made it a complicated mess.

                          Security is fine because there's nothing valuable for anyone to try stealing on your site.

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                            tp (profile), 24 Jun 2021 @ 7:08am

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                            You just forgot things like a coherent interface

                            I implemented all the must-features, like loading times and edit-compile-debug-edit loop performance and enough caching to make it feel snappy...

                            actual reason for anyone to use it...'

                            Unity and unreal engine provides that for me. Their user interfaces are so horribly slow on end-user computers that anyone who has seen how those work will be looking for replacement that doesn't have key events take 20 seconds...

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                              PaulT (profile), 24 Jun 2021 @ 7:21am

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                              "I implemented all the must-features,"

                              Doesn't matter how many features you have when your interface is so incompetently designed that you had to instruct people here on which keys to press before they understood it was meant to be interactive and not a horrifically dated video player.

                              "Their user interfaces are so horribly slow on end-user computers"

                              They seem to work fine for everyone else. You are the only person I'm aware of making such a claim, and last time you brought it up it was because you broke your own installation by messing up the installation of a plugin.

                              Many thousands of professionals use these tools daily to product billions of dollars of content. I'm sorry that one incompetent fool in Finland wasn't able to get the same use out of them, but introducing a vastly inferior alternative that not even you are able to explain to people isn't going to fix your problems.

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                                tp (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 12:56am

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                                last time you brought it up it was because you broke your own installation by messing up the installation of a plugin.

                                I think you missed important bit of the story. The plugin installation was required by the competition. I didn't choose to use it myself, it was enforced by external entities.

                                If unity user interface fails to work if 1 plugin is installed to the system, maybe the unity user interface might have trouble working with 600 plugins when they can't get 1 plugin to work quickly enough.

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                                  PaulT (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 1:50am

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                                  "The plugin installation was required by the competition"

                                  Which makes zero sense, but we don't expect coherence from you.

                                  Again, given the choice between believing the people who use those tools professionally to create high quality work on a daily basis and the guy who's failed to compete with them producing output that looks like someone tried some test demos on an Amiga 500 for the first time, I'll trust the guys who have competently produced results without encountering any of the problems you have..

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                                    tp (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 1:54am

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                                    without encountering any of the problems you have..

                                    How can you say that they didn't encounter these problems? Even unity newbies can see the problems from miles away. Maybe they just hide those problems and reject the tools that cause the problems.

                                    You cannot plausibly claim that the problems do not exist.

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                                      tp (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 2:01am

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                                      Also, to prove my claim, I can just point to this thread in the internet:
                                      https://forum.unity.com/threads/why-ui-is-so-sluggish.616432/

                                      Are you still claiming that unity doesn't have perf problems?

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                                        PaulT (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 6:08am

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                                        "Are you still claiming that unity doesn't have perf problems?"

                                        I never claimed that, I claimed that professionals use the product to create with every day and that if it were as unusable as you claim then that wouldn't happen. Since the vast majority users are created top quality work, then the reason why are unable to do so must be on your shoulders.

                                        But, well done on finding a random bug being talked about that only affected one version of the platform was apparently fixed in less than a month after it was reported, I guess. I'm not sure why you think that a discussion from 2019 means that there's some widespread issue that makes it unusable for everyone, but then I have no idea why you think anything you come up with.

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                                          tp (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 2:36pm

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                                          if it were as unusable as you claim then that wouldn't happen.

                                          This isn't true. When the folks encounter the perf problems for the first time, they have already been brainwashed to consider the tool to be "the best that is available and switching to another tool wouldn't be suitable"... So they just needs to eat the horror.

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                                            PaulT (profile), 28 Jun 2021 @ 11:15pm

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                                            Or, the people who came cross the bug that was fixed in less than a day (internally anyway, according to the comments) in your example from 2 years ago just didn't find it reason enough to stop using it on the very specific platform where it even existed in the first place.

                                            Whereas, your software is so unusable overall that you've had to spend years explaining its purpose and function in a totally unconnected forum.

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                                              tp (profile), 30 Jun 2021 @ 4:37am

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                                              our software is so unusable overall that you've had to spend years explaining its purpose and function in a totally unconnected forum.

                                              I blame part of the problem is that I need to convert you to support copyrights and RIAA/MPAA before convincing you to use my tools. Basically there's some mismatch between your existing practices of humiliating copyright owners and whatever our tool thinks is reasonable practices from end users. So our human-conversion process is pretty slow progress, we might need to convert you to robots first before you accept the riaa/mpaa copyright reasoning.

                                              We understand that failing the "are you a robot" -test is necessary part of being a human being, but you need to try to get rid of bad practices associated with not-being-a-robot.

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                                                PaulT (profile), 30 Jun 2021 @ 11:19pm

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                                                I support the version of copyright that exists in the real world (although I would love for its many flaws to be fixed), not the fever dream misrepresentation you made up to excuse your own failures.

                                                "your existing practices of humiliating copyright owners"

                                                You do surely realise that the people I've referred to who manage to make billions of dollars of valuable content every year using the tools that your incompetent ass hasn't worked out are copyright owners, right? I'm supporting them, while you insist that they lose their livelihoods so that you can have a piece of the action.

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                                                  tp (profile), 1 Jul 2021 @ 1:25am

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                                                  the people I've referred to who manage to make billions of dollars of valuable content every year using the tools

                                                  Letting a tool record bunch of your mouse clicks isn't exactly worth billions of dollars. In fact, it'll take significant effort from your part to figure out stuff that is worth millions, much less billions. Then even if the content is worth that much, extracting that money from the user base is so burdensome task that you simply cannot do it. So all those billions will be just a pipe dream, with no basis in reality. Instead, you'll need to get money from government to pay the internet and your modern lifestyle. Your billions are as far as a winning lottery ticket, and even that gives you mere millions, nowhere near billion bucks...

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                                                    PaulT (profile), 1 Jul 2021 @ 2:36am

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                                                    "Letting a tool record bunch of your mouse clicks isn't exactly worth billions of dollars."

                                                    Yet, the work that they actually do is being purchased for billions of dollars a year.

                                                    How typical - you can't deal with your failure so you have to lie about your competition.

                                                    "Then even if the content is worth that much, extracting that money from the user base is so burdensome task that you simply cannot do it."

                                                    You know I'm referring to the actual global revenue that comes in, not some hypothetical? Basing arguments on what ever fantasy you have about how you wish the world would work is your preferred tactic, not mine.

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                                                      tp (profile), 1 Jul 2021 @ 3:53am

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                                                      Yet, the work that they actually do is being purchased for billions of dollars a year.

                                                      This web site https://www.owler.com/company/blender claims that annual revenue for blender is 3.5M, so it's nowhere near the billion you claimed it would be.

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                                                        PaulT (profile), 1 Jul 2021 @ 5:45am

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                                                        I never claimed that. I said that the people who use Blender, Unity and all the pother people you're attacking create billions per year. You know, the people who avoid your incompetent shit because it won't allow them to create, by design.

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                                                          tp (profile), 1 Jul 2021 @ 2:14pm

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                                                          it won't allow them to create, by design.

                                                          This isn't really true. I offer a tool for creating 3d models and scenes. Then there's export option that prints a piece of code representing animation. That exported animation can be copy-pasted to html page to make the animation visible in web browsers.

                                                          Clearly that pattern allows create, and that's by design.

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 6:03am

    I can go to YouTube right now and watch giantbomb streams of Nintendo direct,
    Nintendo direct is a giant commercial
    Why would you not want everyone to see your ads and content
    It makes no sense
    Nintendo is stuck in the 90s it doesn't really understand the Web streaming free promotion
    It costs almost nothing to put a video on YouTube
    Meanwhile you pay millions to advertise on tv
    Under Japanese law you can't use someone's video without permission
    But then I can watch any game being streamed plsythroughs on YouTube apart from Nintendo games
    Nintendo is the equivalent of the old man who only watchs live TV
    They just don't understand youtube or streaming equals free advertising

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    Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 9:27am

    why does anyone even think about buying or supporting Nintendo? it's as bad as Sony! it's almost like retaliation for losing the WWII. we hate everyone so we're gonna fuck you up whenever we can! push them into touch! i did and i am certainly no worse off for doing so!!

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      Anonymous Coward, 16 Jun 2021 @ 2:19pm

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      Because, like many other content-houses, they still have some rather amazing people working for them, the ones who produce the actual content, and people like that content. (Even if, at this point, most of it is just re-hashed to hell and back.)

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      PaulT (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 11:01pm

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      Because nobody in the mainstream knows or cares about this sort of stuff ,and you'll give yourself an aneurism trying to pretend they have the same standards as those of us who do.

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        tp (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 2:16am

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        trying to pretend they have the same standards

        Why is your golden standards always based on bashing the authors and committing copyright infringement?

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          Anonymous Coward, 17 Jun 2021 @ 2:19am

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          So you think anything Japanese should be boycotted because of World War II?

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          PaulT (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 2:31am

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          Why are your standards always based on either lying about or misrepresenting reality?

          For the sane and honest, I was simply saying that the average Nintendo fan is not basing their purchasing decisions on stories about their misbehaviour in threads like this. But, they would be basing them on things like the stream you're so desperate to pretend needs to be hidden from people.

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            tp (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 3:58am

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            Why are your standards always based on either lying about or misrepresenting reality?

            This is required for marketing. Those marketing goons need to learn to subtly execute lying patterns without customers realizing what is happening. Since I'm not expert on marketing, my customers will notice. There's also conspiracy theories around where all authors are lying bastards, so even when my marketing material honestly proclaims that there's 0 actual users, the techdirt spins it as lying. Everyone of us have different reality, so you cannot consider your reality better than mine, and "reject your reality and substitute my own" only works in mythbusters...

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              Samuel Abram (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 4:24am

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              There's also conspiracy theories around where all authors are lying bastards, so even when my marketing material honestly proclaims that there's 0 actual users, the techdirt spins it as lying.

              "all authors"? Are you fucking kidding me?!?!? No, not "all authors"; just you. I offer statistics about my music career and nobody at Techdirt dismisses me or thinks I'm a liar. You are so far delusional, my good friend.

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              Anonymous Coward, 17 Jun 2021 @ 4:36am

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              even when my marketing material honestly proclaims that there's 0 actual users, the techdirt spins it as lying

              On this count, nobody believes you're lying. Nobody with a drop of sanity thinks you have any actual users.

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              Stephen T. Stone (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 4:53am

              There's also conspiracy theories around where all authors are lying bastards

              You’re literally the only person who believes in this.

              Did your mother drop you on your head as a child? Because I’m beginning to believe she didn’t stop at one drop.

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              PaulT (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 5:03am

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              "This is required for marketing"

              Well.. not really. If you make shitty products nobody can understand or wants to use like some loser in Finland, sure. But, in this case "marketing" for Nintendo means simply "we're making a new Zelda, here's some footage". That requires no lying, unless you're implying that they faked the footage.

              It makes no sense to restrict the number of people who can see and react to that footage.

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                tp (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 5:31am

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                That requires no lying, unless you're implying that they faked the footage.

                Of course it requires lying. Their trailers for the games are conviniently missing all the load times, so that end users cannot see the 5 minute delay they need to be watching the progressbar when they watch the trailer. None of the companies put the load times to their trailer videos, so basically they're all lying bastards.

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                  PaulT (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 6:07am

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                  So, your argument is that all advertising is lying. A poster simply saying "Coke is available at Wal Mart" is lying because they don't show you a 20 minute video of people driving to the store and wait at the checkout to pay. An advert for an apartment is lying because they don't show you the whole process of applying for a mortgage. You saying "look at meshpage" is lying because it doesn't show you the horrible layout and load times you have to endure to laugh at your incompetent page.

                  Meanwhile, someone watching the restreamed live feed that you're desperately trying to pretend is stealing have already paid money to Nintendo for exactly the product they expect to experience when they get it delivered.

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                    tp (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 1:44pm

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                    You saying "look at meshpage" is lying because it doesn't show you the horrible layout and load times you have to endure to laugh at your incompetent page.

                    Yes, it would be lying if I simply removed the load times from the marketing material. But I actually spent enough time to actually optimize the load times that significant lying is no longer needed. Once its giving the best result than what technology available can do, its good time to stop complaining about it. But any vendors who didn't spend the time to optimize, will need to remove the load times from the trailers.

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                      Anonymous Coward, 17 Jun 2021 @ 5:59pm

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                      Load times don't matter jack because you went out of your way to remove the publish button. If users can't publish animations, users won't care how quickly their files load. They won't be able to use your supposedly revolutionary tech. I'd also like to add that none of this information is actually visible on the "tech demo reel" you posted on that one bus in London, so this information is pointless to users to start with.

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                        tp (profile), 22 Jun 2021 @ 5:18am

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                        Load times don't matter jack because you went out of your way to remove the publish button

                        publish button isn't the only way to get results with my tech. The faq has more information about what you'd do if you wanted an animation in your own web page (as opposed to publishing it on meshpage)...

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                      PaulT (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 9:55pm

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                      "Yes, it would be lying if I simply removed the load times from the marketing material"

                      The fun thing with this is that you did remove them - along with any coherent explanation of what the site was, what it did or anything coherent to a signle person you subjected bus riders to with your hilarious failure of a marketing campaign.

                      "But I actually spent enough time to actually optimize the load times that significant lying is no longer needed. "

                      Yet, failed to provide any reason why someone should bother trying.

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    Rekrul, 16 Jun 2021 @ 9:54am

    Just another example of the 3M principle at at work;

    Mine, MINE, MINE!

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    BJC (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 10:04pm

    Okay, they hate fans. So?

    I'm frustrated that this piece doesn't actually examine Nintendo's decision.

    There's some assumptions here more or less along the lines of:

    1. Nintendo gets a lot of money from "fans," and
    2. Nintendo shouldn't give up the "fan" dollars.

    And there's a lot packed into the second that I don't think can be snarked away if we want to talk about the ethos of copyright rather than just "good business decisions."

    What if there was a conscious decision by Nintendo to leave money on the table because of some animus towards "fans" or desire for control beyond what money could provide?

    Is there an argument that they shouldn't be able to lose/waste money exercising their rights if they want to, or is it just economic?

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      Stephen T. Stone (profile), 16 Jun 2021 @ 11:37pm

      What if there was a conscious decision by Nintendo to leave money on the table because of some animus towards "fans" or desire for control beyond what money could provide?

      Then Nintendo higher-ups made a foolish decision that makes the company look even less fan-friendly than it already does.

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      nasch (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 7:36am

      Re: Okay, they hate fans. So?

      Is there an argument that they shouldn't be able to lose/waste money exercising their rights if they want to, or is it just economic?

      The argument is not that they are not or shouldn't be allowed to do it, just that it's dumb.

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        BJC (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 9:51am

        Re: Re: Okay, they hate fans. So?

        "Dumb" really depends on assuming that Nintendo's business and culture are what you think they are, and no one has established that.

        But I don't really want to argue Nintendo's business model, because I think the "need" for fan engagement relative to Nintendo's branding as a more "casual" or "toy-like" console is complicated enough that everyone will walk away insisting that their portion of the elephant is the most important one.

        So, instead, before talking about "the facts," I want to talk about principles. What if an IP holder doesn't want your business, and is willing to lose money because of it? Why is that dumb?

        Just having money isn't a good in itself.

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          PaulT (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 10:55am

          Re: Re: Re: Okay, they hate fans. So?

          Losing money because you have principles that extend beyond your wallet is fine. I'm just not sure what the principles that state that you need to stop customers from sharing your marketing material with other potential customers consist of

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          nasch (profile), 17 Jun 2021 @ 11:34am

          Re: Re: Re: Okay, they hate fans. So?

          If the principles are beneficial to the company, fine. And I don't just mean in terms of money; maybe a company would give up some money in order to do something in a more ethical manner, or some such. I am skeptical that the principle of controlling everything no matter the cost is beneficial to Nintendo, their customers, society, or anyone else. If you can make the case that hamstringing free marketing in order to maintain control for the sake of control (or if you can come up with some other reason they would want to do this) by all means have at it. I also acknowledge the possibility they have motivations or influences that none of us will ever know that would make this a perfectly reasonable decision. But that doesn't seem like the most likely explanation to me.

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    Anonymous Coward, 17 Jun 2021 @ 5:04am

    Roses are red,
    Violets are blue,
    You may like their games,
    But Nintendo hates you.

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